For the first time Ukraine was mentioned in the Hypatian Chronicle. Not Little Rus’ or something else, but Ukraine. Nobody heard about Moscow and Russia at that time. Learn more impressive historical facts.
The Chronicle includes several components: Lavrentian Chronicle, the Tale of Bygone Years, Chernihiv, Kyiv, Galician–Volhynian Chronicles which described the events from 860's to 1292's. Sources of the chronicles are diverse: Palatine chroniclers, palatine letters, ambassadors’ reports, military tales, stories of bystanders, the Greek chronicles and so on.
Ukraine is mentioned for the first time in the Tale of Igor's Campaign against Polovtsy in 1185.
The field of Igor Svyatoslavich's battle with the Polovtsy, by Viktor Vasnetsov. Credits wikipedia.org
Many sources identify Kyivan Rus with Ukraine. In some versions, such as Ermolaevsky list (1189-1213 years), Ukraine is called Krajina (country), in Kyiv chronicles – Galich Ukraina.
Also, the name ‘Ukraine’ is mentioned in connection with the death of Pereyaslav Knyaz Volodymyr Glebovich, later in the description of events during Galician-Volyn Knyaz Danylo Romanovych regiment. Something like that.
...but nobody heard about Moscow and Russia at that time...
What historical data will help to clarify Ukraine and Russia backgrounds.
Higher education institutions: the Russian Academy of Sciences was founded in 1724, Moscow University in 1755. Ostroh Academy was founded in 1576 in Ukraine, the Kyiv-Mohyla Academy was established in 1615 and Lviv University in 1661.
First printed ABC book in Ukraine was published in 1574 in Lviv, and in the Tsardom of Russia it happened 60 years later in 1634.
The first published Ukrainian book. Lviv, 1574. Image credits izobretenie.biz
Religion: Kyiv Metropolia was founded in the year 988, and Moscow Patriarchate only in 1458. Kyiv Metropolia is 460 years older than Moscow ones.
Capitals: Kyiv is one among the oldest cities in Europe and was founded in 482, while Moscow was founded in 1147 by Yuriy Dolgoruky, the son of Volodymyr Monomakh. So, Kyiv is older than Moscow by 665 years.
The first monarch who was crowned in the Tsardom of Russia was Ivan the Terrible in 1547, and in Ukrainian lands it was the first king of Rus' Daniel of Galicia in 1253.
Mongol yoke: Kyiv lost the Mongolian yoke in 1363 after the Battle of Blue Waters; Moscow lost yoke in 1480 after great standoff on the Ugra river, and Muscovy paid tribute to the Crimean khan till 1700, including the first years of Peter the Great reign.
Name: For the first time, the term ‘Ukraine’ was found in the chronicles in the year 1187. Term ‘Russia’ was found only during the reign of Ivan the Terrible 400 years later.
Last, but not the least, famous Ukrainian Pylyp Orlyk is the author of one of the first constitutions in the world. On April 5th, 1710 he was elected as a hetman. On the same day he announced a ‘Pacts and Constitutions of Rights and Freedoms of the Zaporizhian Host’. Worth mention, that the U.S. constitution was adopted in 1787. In France and Poland it was adopted in 1791.
What historical facts you should know on Ukraine and Russia origins.
1. A state called Muscovy Peter the Great renamed in Russia in the 18th century, in 1721.
2. The tribe called Mokshas named their river Moskva, and the translation of the title from the Moksha language sounds like ‘dirty water’. In any other languages of the world there is no translation for the word ‘Moscow’. The word ‘Kremlin’ has Tatar roots and stands for fortifications on the hill.
3. In the Middle Ages all European cartographers wrote and marked the frontier of Europe along the borders of Rus (Rus is a territory of present-day Ukraine). Muscovy is Ulus, with its Finnish people, has always been a part of the Horde, and was referred to Asia by Europe.
4. Muscovy (Russia) paid tribute to the Crimean Khan, its sovereign ruler and master, who was the legal successor of the Golden Horde, until 1700. Tsar of Muscovy met Crimean ambassador on Poklonnaya Hill, put him onto the horseback, walked on foot himself leading the horse with the Crimean ambassador to the Kremlin, put him on his throne, and stood up in front of him on his knees.
5. In 1610, in Muscovy Borys Godunov (Murza Gudun) ended the Genghisids dynasty (Genghis Khan’s relative), and Olexiy Koshka from the Finnish family of Kobyliny was enthroned, and the church gave him the surname Romanov, who allegedly came from Rome to rule Muscovy.
6. Catherine the Great, after the occupation of Grand Duchy of Lithuania (territory of Belarus), the last free state of Kyiv Rus’, in 1795, ordered to name Finno-Ugric tribes of Muscovy Great Russians, and Ukrainians (true Rus citizens)– Little Russians.
7. No one has ever seen the original agreement on the reunification between Muscovy and Ukraine, allegedly signed by B. Khmelnitsky and Tzar A. Romanov.
8. For several centuries, archaeologists have been looking for artifacts, confirming the authenticity of the Battle of Kulikovo, but so far without success. But they pitch a yarn about the victory of Dmitry Donskoi over Mamai until now.
9. Pskov, Novgorod, Smolensk regions of Russia are former Slavo-Ruthenian Principalities, and Finno-Ugric Muscovy had nothing to do with this, until Muscovy-Horde occupied them in 1462, in 1478 and in the 1654. And in other areas of Russia (Muscovy) Slavic tribes and peoples have never lived.
10. Golden Horde and her daughter Muscovy are the only countries in the world that enslaved their own people. This explains why rich in natural resources Muscovy falls behind the European countries with lack in natural resources. After all, the effectiveness of the free people is much higher than the slaves.
Ukrainian lands in VIII - XIII centuries. Credits to the Washington post
Good article. Thanks.
But why did the author write Kiev? Need to write Kyiv.
yak pyvo ?
Ahhh!! — learning some history at last you IGNORANT Russo-mongolian Asiatic animal? :)
WTF I tol’ you befo’ ???
Uneducated Finno-Ugric SCUM! ” P’tfu !! ” — I spit in your monhol face!
n 1569 the “Russian Empire” did NOT exist – it was Muscovy [Moskali and Muscovites] before and after 1569.
In fact Latin, Greek, and Ruthenian [AKA – Ukrainian] were the languages used on European documents in 1581.
In 1581 Antonio Posevino, papal legate and member of the Order of Jesuits, paid an official visit to Moscow:
We also saw that, by tradition, Muscovy is extremely dependent in religious matters on Rus’ [AKA – Ukraine] , which is currently ruled by the Polish king: very recently the Kyivan [AKA – Ukrainian] metropolitan of the Ruthenian [AKA- Ukrainian] faith ordained some Muscovite bishops.
“In Muscovy a person who has memorized the Slavic letters is considered an extremely learned person. Very few people know the Lord’s Prayer, and almost no one knows the Symbol of Faith, the Ten Commandments, and the Holy Virgin…………
http://www.day.kiev.ua/156088/
аферим ашколсун!!! браво!!! много точно!!!
кЪйив, глупако!!!
They ARE the “mongel-horde”, there is no Slavic quality what so ever there. Awful to say but next time you see putler, take a good look at his face, does it look mongel-horde-ish.
How about your face, no questions there, all according to German Nazi racial guidelines to be entitled to join Waffen SS Galichina ?
Now now, that’s hissed you right off but it’s true, check his features mongel-horde thru n thru, the driver got screwed.
You did not look at the mirror ? Its OK if you afraid. :-)
By the way, Is it bad to be a mongol ? Let`s see if you pass a Nazi test…
My father had cousins that were full Ukrainian. However, some Mongolian slipped in. He had first cousins who all had the slanted Mongolian eye, and yellowish skin. Must have had a few rapes, way back in the family.
Like myself, a number of months ago I was corrected by a Ukie lady, who stated Kiev is the rusian spelling, Ukrainian true spelling is KYIV. The Author needs to go back to Skool.
Key-eve is the right way to pronounce it nearly right
It’s KYIV sorry
no way for an English speaker to pronounce Kyiv right
მე არ ვარ ინგლისური
Nicolay Petrov, The Hypatian Codex was written in Old Slavonic. You obviously don’t know how to read in that language, or else you would have known that the word ” кЪйив” is pronounced as almost mute Ukrainian [и] / Russian [ьі], hence the closest correct pronunciation and spelling of the name of Ukraine’s capital is ” Kyiv ” not ” Kiev” (particularly so, since the pronunciation of “Kiev” is usually associated with the sound of Russian [и], which sounds nothing like the phonetically English [ i ]. In my opinion,the discussion initiated here by you ought to be left to the linguists – professionals knowledgeable in that academic field.
Ana, The Hypatian Codex was written in Old Slavonic. You obviously don’t know how to read in that language, or else you would have known that the word ” кЪйив” is pronounced as almost mute Ukrainian [и] / Russian [ьі], hence the closest correct pronunciation and spelling of the name of Ukraine’s capital is ” Kyiv ” not ” Kiev” (particularly so, since the pronunciation of “Kiev” is usually associated with the sound of Russian [и], which sounds nothing like the phonetically English [ i ]. In my opinion,the discussion initiated here by you ought to be left to the linguists – professionals knowledgeable in that academic field.
Key-eve to be pronounced nearly right right in Eglish
Nikolay Petrov, The Hypatian Codex was written in Old Slavonic. You obviously don’t know how to read in that language, or else you would have known that the word ” кЪйив” is pronounced as almost mute Ukrainian [и] / Russian [ьі], hence the closest correct pronunciation and spelling of the name of Ukraine’s capital is ” Kyiv ” not ” Kiev” (particularly so, since the pronunciation of “Kiev” is usually associated with the sound of Russian [и], which sounds nothing like the phonetically English [ i ]. In my opinion,the discussion initiated here by you ought to be left to the linguists – professionals knowledgeable in that academic field.
There is no way for English speakers to pronounce Kyiv right. Closest is key-eve. For Great-Russian (Muscovite) speakers to pronounce it right, it should be Kьійив, for Bulgarians – кЪйив. Do not know who wrote that codex you are talking about. But Old Church Sclavonic is in fact Old Bulgarian which is Thracian. The Thracians, aka Sclavens (Slavs), of whom the Bulgars of Old Great Bulgaria in the land of Ukraine prior to 681 were, too, are the First People of the Balkans and South East Europe. Y DNA I2a1 (called Tripillian in Ukraine).
The Hypatian Codex was written in Old Slavonic. You obviously don’t know how to read in that language, or else you would have known that the word ” кЪйив” is pronounced as almost mute Ukrainian [и] / Russian [ьі], hence the closest correct pronunciation and spelling of the name of Ukraine’s capital is ” Kyiv ” not ” Kiev” (particularly so, since the pronunciation of “Kiev” is usually associated with the sound of Russian [и], which sounds nothing like the phonetically English [ i ]. In my opinion,the discussion initiated here by you ought to be left to the linguists – professionals knowledgeable in that academic field.
Thanks! But why “Galich», “Vladimir Glebovich”, “Vladimir Monomakh”, “Knyaz Danila Romanovich”, idem “king of Rus’ Daniel of
Galicia”…?
Great article, and it is somewhat strange that I spoke to a friend two weeks ago saying that this difference between Ukrainians and “Russians” can be settled with DNA mitochondrial research. I must have been receiving some ones strong messages.
Yes!
Ruski LIE & DISTORT there as well. :)
Pity I am in a rush.
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I presume that Ukrainians also invented the wheel and founded Rome. Guys, I really like you as our neighbours, but the amount of historical bullshit in this article is just unbearable. Kraijna means country in many Slavic languages, that’s right, but it’s not the same word as “Ukraina”. The latter until the end of XVIth century meant simply “borderland” and wasn’t treated as a name of a country; “Rus” yes, but not “Ukraina”. The Battle of Blue Waters – I’m sorry, but it was the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and Kyiv was just a part of it. Your occupiers won the battle, not you. The universities – Kyiv-Mohyl fair enough, but when it comes to Lwow and Ostroh – well, I think that you are sufficiently aware about their actual origin so that I don’t have to get into details. Grand Duchy of Lithuania as the last state of Kiev Rus – C’MON, you guys were constantly rebelling against being either a part of the Crown (Poland) or the Grand Duchy (Lithuania), so saying that you had any kind of control over the latter.. well, that’s not even an exaggeration, that’s just a lie. As I said, I really like you as neighbours and I think that you’re right in defending your country against the people who invaded it, but on the other hand – just please, don’t adjust history to your own opinion, because that’s simply lying and the people who know what actually happened won’t trust you. The passage on the genetic origin of Russians I shall not comment – it may be correct, but it is just racist to consider it a flaw as it is clearly suggested in this article.
As a matter of fact Ukrainians might have invented the wheel and founded Rome as their ancestors were Thracian and Scythian, the Scythians were Thracian, too. DNA shows Bulgarians and Ukrainians are mostly of Balkan, that is Thracian origin. If you read all known Ancient authors you will find out Rome was founded by Thracians and the wheel by the Scyths. Scyths (skiti) translated from Bulgarian and Ukrainian means to wander and it is known Scythians have reache Persia and India, which is why we have Buddha which in Bulgarian means to waken!!! The Thracian Dionis had reache India, too, previous to the Scyths, Borderland in Ukrainian (Old Russian) and Russian (Moscovite Great Russian) would be okraina, not ukraina. U-kraina or as it was also written V-kraina means In-(your-own-) country, especially when others are exploiting your Rus name!!! Rus or Ros, as the root in many rivers around Kiev, means dew, water!!! The Rus people came from the Balkans – Rusi-dava was a Getae city in Thracian Dacia (present day Romania), Today we have Poiana/ Meadoq Rusca in the same area!!! The first S(c)lavic people were the Thracians living along the lower Danube river in the Balkans knows as Getae (later Goths, Guthuni in Prussia or Gutsuli in Ukraine). Getae from Indo Aryan/ Euro sanskrit gayate means to glorify, same as Slav. As they were occupied by the Greco Romans they turned into slaves, what their name Slav turned to mean in the West later, as slave in English!!! All Slavs came from the Balkans, pushed North from the Roman occupation. But the population in Epirus, Bulgaria (Macedonia), Romania (Moldova) and Ukraine is closest to the original Thraco-> Slavs. the Proto Bulgars who had their Old Great Bulgaria in what is Ukraine till the 7th century were a formation of former Thracian tribes sent way from the Balkans (Epirus/ Macedonia) – kutri, ante, brigi/burgi, dulope (the Dulo clan) and huoni/ hunns, who all lived in what is Ukraine today!!! The Moscovites – Great Russians ahve little to do with this. In fact the Modern Russian language is base on Church Sclavonic Old Bulgarian Thracian of the Besi/ Vesi who lived East of the city Solun/ Saloniki, which was THE official language in Eastern Europe at the time!!! Despite the common Balkan origin, by the time of Old Rus and even before that in Old Great Bulgarian, the Poles/ Lyahs had developed in a different way from the Rus people, whos lands began from the Lvov (Leopolis) region and East. So in time any Poles in Lvov and further East were INVADERS AND OCCUPANTS who did as much EVIL to the Old Rus – Ukrainian/ Belorussian people as the Moscovites!!! So, you had better shut up!!!
Russo-mongolian troll … does speak Polish as well … some of them do… in a month only 3 comments as of today? Hmm ;)
Well, calling someone a “troll” definitely speaks volumes but certainly not about good manners. I am sorry but although I support your (Ukrainians’) struggle with Russia – to put it clearly, you guys separate us from the Big Bear – I am really not a huge fan of making up your own history which you do a lot. Can you understand the fact that someone may get offended seeing the bits of his country’s history stolen and incorporated into yours? Well, that’s exactly why I got pissed off. If you guys don’t get it, then go and look for allies somewhere else, because we’re not going to support people who insult us.
“Jakub Aleksander Bartoszewski” ROTE:
“Well, calling someone a “troll” definitely speaks volumes but certainly
not about good manners. I am sorry but although I support your
(Ukrainians’) struggle with Russia – to put it clearly, you guys
separate us from the Big Bear – I am really not a huge fan of making up
your own history which you do a lot. Can you understand the fact that
someone may get offended seeing the bits of his country’s history stolen
and incorporated into yours? Well, that’s exactly why I got pissed off.
If you guys don’t get it, then go and look for allies somewhere else,
because we’re not going to support people who insult us.”
Lies — but of course! — *AND* a lack of EDUCATION…
YOU ROTE — (again do note!) “… – I am really not a huge fan of making up your own history which you do a lot. Can you understand the fact that someone may get offended seeing the bits of his country’s history stolen and incorporated into yours?”
Yes indeed! I most CERTAINLY do find HISTORY STEALING — i.e. taking Kyiv, Rus/Ukraine WHITE SLAVIC history, and FALSELY attributing such to Moskovy, Msocow/Russia, ASIATIC FINNO-UGRIC & MONGOLOIDAL admixture, very UNETHICAL besides IGNORANT!
Keep LYING & TROLLING! — It’s all your kind has, isn’t it? ;)
Ukrainian history is NOT Russo-mongolian history.
They only “became ‘Russian'” — Not “Rus” but RusKEY (ADJECTIVE NOT the NOUN form) in 1721… Trying a “Polish approach” eh you IGNORANT LYING RUSKI **TROLL**
Sprawdź sobie tumanie jak długo obszar dzisiejszej tzw “ukrainy” był pod panowaniem mogolskim i tureckim. Wasza historia zaczęła się w XIX , tak trudno to przełknąć? Kiedy oddacie Polsce zbiory Ossolińskich złodzieje?!
Sława Ostrzewska, “Sprawdź sobie tumanie jak długo obszar dzisiejszej tzw “ukrainy” był pod panowaniem mogolskim i tureckim”- you, poor dear, ought not boast of your ignorance: if you check history you’ll be surprised to find out that Ukraine was NEVER under the Turkish domination. As to your reference to Ukraine as ” tzw “ukrainy” (” so-called “ukraine”),- that only speaks of your primitive Polish chauvinism and reflects negatively on your country of Poland rather than on the image of sovereign Ukraine. Hopefully, European Poland shall one day grow out of its imperialistic ambitions of the past.
U was wszyscy ,którzy negują wasze mityczne kłamstwa w tematyce historycznej są kremlowskimi trollami. Jesteście wręcz upośledzeni w tym temacie, zakłamanie i raz reszce zakłamanie wynikające z niedowartościowania. Żałosne bzdury wypisujesz.
Excuse me, ” Slawa ” Write in English ! …if you want to participate in a discussion.
Sława Ostrzewska, Even IF you were not a Kremlin troll, Sława Ostrzewska as a representative of Polish empirio-chauvinism is no better than “kremlowski troll” : the moral primitivism of the rhetoric is identical.
Re-read it and keep weeping – rusians are from the Golden Horde. According to the information from the Moscow-based Center of Lev Gumilyov, Russian scientists for the first time in history conducted Russian gene pool research and were SHOCKED by the results! These studies also fully confirmed that the Russians are NOT Slavs, but only Russian-speaking Finns. Results of the mitochondrial DNA analysis showed that another Russian nearest relatives, except the Finns from Finland are TATARS: Russians are on the same genetic distance of 30 conventional units from the Tartars, which separate them from the Finns! Russian scientists ended the issue concerning myth of the ‘Slavic roots of Russians’: there is NOTHING from Slavs in Russians! There is only Slavic Russian language, but it has 60-70% of non-Slavic language, so Russian people ARE NOT ABLE to understand the language of the Slavs, although the true Slav understands any language because of the similarity of Slavic languages (except Russian). There are Russians in Russia, but not Rus. There always was and will be only Kyivan Rus – Slava Ukraina.
Lies . Russians are r1a genetics, kiev was also attacked by mongols, you speak polish influenced language and were vassals always. Russians are not fins nor fins. Slava salu! And do not distort our history of Lithuania!! I support Poland old partner position. Belarus and Ukraine steal our history, just because old rusyn was used in Grand duchy to write documents. Biggotry. Kievan rus kings were from novgorod,kiev was vassal russian state, learn history.. your languages is mix of hungariand and polish and youre mixed with turks, tatars, gypsies. Much darker than russians. Also if you compare old east slavic then russian more similar to it, ukrainian is like slovak-russian mix. Bye dear.
It is your kind that cannot stop lying. We are different and for the greater good. You are muscovy mongal-horde, you are connected and joined to Tatars part of golden-horde, you are not and never have been Slavic. Novgorod was Kyiv-Rus, the cathedral there was built by Kyivan-Rus people’s hands, so Novgorod is Ukrainian. muscovy did not exist when Kyiv-Rus was in power, moscow was a unglorified BOG
bua-ha-ha-ha-ha!)) What drugs are you on?))
Mongel-backywacky,
They might not of invented the wheel but they did invent Ukraine in the 12th century, rusia or moscovy with a single cell brain decided a lot later.
Jakub Aleksander Bartoszewski, If your Polish imperialistic brain cannot accept the fact that the city of L’viv was founded by a Kyivan Rus’ prince Danylo Halyts’ky, the history doesn’t change because of your handicap. As to the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, which you mentioned Ukrainians had no control over- that is quite a stretch, if only because it was Ukrainian language that was the administrative language of that political entity… I am afraid, not unlike Russians some Poles are descending to the outright deceit in order to fit history to their empirio- chauvinistic ambitions,- not quite representative of the progressive European ideals of the XXI century after all, dear.
A lot of false information here. Article is a fraud.
1. “Hypatian chronicles” were written in 14th century ABOUT certain events in 12th century!
2. “Hypatian chronicles” did not mention “Ukraine” or “Ukraina”, but it was written as “oukraina”, which interprets as a -“borderland” or “frontier” in Russian. This is why all Russians say when going to “okraina” – ehat NA Ukrainu, and about events in Ukraine – ” na Ukraine”, and word “na” in Russian never used in connection with any other country, it is only used in connection with some Russian regions (including former Russian Alaska) or some islands ( “na” Hawai, “na” Manhattene)
3. Yaroslav the Wise, wrote that his parents named him with a “russian” (russkim imenem) name. He did not say that he was named “ukrainskim” imenem. :-)
4. “Golden Horde and her daughter Muscovy “. Golden Horder established in 13th century, and Moscow known for a century before Golden Horder, so Moscow can not be a daughter of Golden Horder, becouse Moscow is much older. Ukraine can be daughter of Horder, since there is more Turk /Tatar /Khazar influence in Ukrainian culture then in Russia. Even word “Maidan” is a Turk word. “Ukrainian” sharovary, mustache, swords – all taken from Horder and Turk cultures.
5. “the study of the gene pool of the Russian people, conducted by Russian scientists in 2000-2006 showed that genetically Russian are not Slavs, but true-born Finns” – flat out fake. DNA studies are easy to find http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml – they show that Russians and Ukrainians sharing R1A Haplogroup, in a big percentage, together with the neighbors like Poland and Belarus.
Most common Haplogroup for Finns – N1c . Finns have 61% of that group, Northern Russia – 30%, Central Russia – only 15%.- compared to Eastern Ukraine – 9%, Western Ukraine – 5%. Not a big difference, considering that Russians and Ukrainians sharing more then 40%-50 of R1A Haplogroup.
6. Another fake – ” These studies also fully confirmed that the Russians are not Slavs, but only Russian-speaking Finns”
When we go to original of that study, we see entire different picture.
http://historylib.org/historybooks/E-V–Balanovskaya–O-P–Balanovskiy_Russkiy-genofond-na-Russkoy-ravnine/30
Chart confirms what Russians and Ukrainians have in common- more then 40 % of R1A Haplogroup. And Finns have only 7% of R1A Haplogroup. So the fake story does not match with the study.
We see how Galicians trying to re-write the history, but it looks very funny and absurd… but should work fine for Ukrainian kids and kids alike. :-)
Where do you see common between Rus and Rossiya. There’re two different countries. Do you know how many words rossian language has??
Человек, лошадь, арбуз, барабан, чемжуг, язык, власть тюрьма, глаз, чемодан, чердак, ящик, кирпич, кусок, калитка, мусор, обезьяна, таможня, алмаз, балда, сахар, мех? And also many rossian cities, villages and areas are called Tatar/Turkish, but not Slavic’s. Baykal, Kreml, Tayga.
“The modern name of Russia (Rossiya), which came into use in the 17th century, is derived from the Greek Ρωσία, which in turn derives from Ῥῶς, an early Greek name for the people of Rus’.[4] Rus’ as a state had no proper name; by its inhabitants it was called rusĭskaja zemlja (русьская земля) – with rusĭskaja becoming russkaja in Modern Russian –, which translates as “Land of the Rus'”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rus%27_(name)
As a matter of fact Ukrainians might have invented the wheel and founded Rome as their ancestors were Thracian and Scythian, the Scythians were Thracian, too. DNA shows Bulgarians and Ukrainians are mostly of Balkan, that is Thracian origin. If you read all known Ancient authors you will find out Rome was founded by Thracians and the wheel invented by the Scyths. Scyths (skiti) translated from Bulgarian and Ukrainian means to wander, the R1A Haplogroup refers to them, and it is known Scythians have reached Persia and India, which is why we have Buddha which in Bulgarian means to awaken!!! The Thracian Dionis had reached India, too, previous to the Scyths, Borderland in Ukrainian (Old Russian) and Russian (Moscovite Great Russian) would be okraina, not ukraina. U-kraina or as it was also written V-kraina means In-(your-own-) country, especially when others are exploiting your Rus name!!! It was written OUkraina as OU stood for the sound of U in Old Church Sclavonic Old Bulgarian Thracian!!! Got it!!! Rus or Ros, as the root in many rivers around Kiev, means dew, water!!! The Rus people came from the Balkans – Rusi-dava was a Getae city in Thracian Dacia (present day Romania). Today we have Poiana/ Meadow Rusca in the same area!!! The first S(c)lavic people were the Thracians living along the lower Danube river in the Balkans known as Getae (later Goths, Guthuni in Prussia or Gutsuli in Ukraine). Getae from Indo Aryan/ Euro Sanskrit gayate means to glorify, same as Slav. As they were occupied by the Greco Romans they turned into slaves, what their name Slav turned to mean in the West later, as slave in English!!! All Slavs came from the Balkans, pushed North from the Roman occupation. But the population in Epirus, Bulgaria (Macedonia), Romania (Moldova) and Ukraine is closest to the original Thraco-> Slavs. the Proto Bulgars who had their Old Great Bulgaria in what is Ukraine till the 7th century were a formation of former Thracian tribes sent away from the Balkans (Epirus/ Macedonia) – kutri, ante, brigi/burgi, dulope (the Dulo clan) and huoni/ hunns, who all lived in what is Ukraine today, reestablished Bulgaria on the Balkans in 681!!! The Moscovites – Great Russians have little to do with this. In fact the Modern Russian language is based on Church Sclavonic Old Bulgarian Thracian of the Besi/ Vesi who lived East of the city Solun/ Saloniki, which was THE official language in Eastern Europe at the time!!! Despite the common Balkan origin, by the time of Old Rus and even before that in Old Great Bulgarian, the Poles/ Lyahs and Moscovites (who were mainly Ugro Finno Turkic) had developed in a different way from the Old Rus people. Poles in Lvov and further East in Old Russia – Ukraine, as well Muscovites in Ukraine – Crimea were INVADERS AND OCCUPANTS who did EVIL!!! For example, Bulgaria (Macedonia), Romania (Moldova), Belarus/ Lithuania have never done EVIL to Ukraine!!! Moscovy is EVIL and USELESS, and means only regress and decay!!! Moscovites should be thrown out of Europe (Gayrope) and a GREAT WALL SHOULD BE BUILT ON THE EAST BORDER OF UKRAINE AND BELARUS TO PREVENT GREAT RUSSIANS FROM INVADING GAYROPE!!! ALSO, DO NOT DARE SAY GREAT RUSSIANS LIBERATED BULGARIANS FROM THE TURKS AS THEY WANTED TO REOCCUPY BULGARIA AND IN THE END LED TO BULGARIANS BIGGEST NATIONAL DISASTER, AS BULGARIANS LOST HALF OF THEIR LANDS AND POPULATION, WHICH SUFFERED GENOCIDE, DUE TO THE GREAT RUSSIAN GEOPOLITICAL ACTIVITIES!!! SHAME ON GREAT RUSSIA!!!
It is very “incorrect” — to use the old Russian imperialist term of “Great Russian” as it is to use the old Russian imperialist term of “little Russian” for Ukrainians. :)
It is not right to use the term Old Russian for what you point out, as Old Russia applies to 9th cent, when there was no Russian Empire. Great-Russian is the only way to name the Moscovites without offending them much when you want to put them aside from Ukrainians, that is the Little Russians, that is the True Original Russians. Little Russia per the old Greek perception means Mother Russia in which aspect, for those with a flexible consciousness, Little – becomes more that Great – !!! If Ukraine is the True Russia and not ( Great ) Russia, how would you call Ukraine. The Old True Russians had to come up with the term Ukraine from an early time to put them aside from the rest even in the Greater Old Russia, since not all tribes which became part of Old Russia were Russian (that is Thraco=Sclavo=Bulgar=BALKan) tribes. Ukraine in Old Russian Ukrainian means In-your-own-country, not borderland, as it is in Modern Great Russian (Church Sclavonic Old BULGarian Thracian)!!!
Russians are not Slavic.
Finno-Ugric-mongoloidols.
You are right about “oykraina”, though the “frontier” is a modern russian word (which in another slavic languages sound more like “mezha”, “limit” while “kraina” preserved in a lot of these languages as a “land”). The common mistake of russian-speakers is to assume that the old slavonic language transformed into russian directly and only)) The word always sounded as “ukraina” (oy=u in Greek). “Na” is used correctly if you refer to some piece of land – na Podilli, na Donbasi etc. And it came from Ukrainian tradition (russians don’t use it except of Kuban, which was the territory populated with Ukrainians, so it’s obvious why “na” is still used). Nowadays if you speak about the country, not a piece of land, it is correct to use “v”, not “na”.
You are right about Monomakh and all the other russian princes. That’s because at that time only one Rus existed and it consisted of Kiev and surrounding cities. Only the one who controlled Kiev could call himself a Russian prince. Neither Novgorod, neither Suzdal or Vladimir were not called Rus (people from these lands travelled “to Rus” meaning “to Kiev” as it is mentioned a lot of times in the old chronicles). This tradition ended when Kiev was robbed and burned by Bogolyubsky (who also claimed to be the Russian prince, though his followers started calling themselves like that without having Kiev in their subjection).
Regarding the Golden Horde, the truth is that Ivan the Terrible had the mongol-tatar blood in his veins and with his leadership the name Rus moved towards modern Russia (the name only, because the way of ruling was totally different and all the princes across the lands were obeying the Golden Horde). He also had some blood of Russian and Byzantine predecessors and became the first emperor. Practically he was the founder of modern Russia as it is and the great “land collector”. Modern Ukraine was formed from the remains of Kievan Rus, Volyn-Galich kingdom and Cossack hetmanate. Cossacks were already using the name “Ukraine”. Of course, they adopted a lot from tatars, though if you think of “traditional russian” attributes, you’ll see that lapti, valenki, matryoshki, pelmeni, samovar, garmoshka, pryaniki etc. have nothing to do with Rus.
Ivan the terrible newer was an emperor. The first emperor in Russia was Peter the great.
He was the tsar, sorry. Anyway, he was the first coronated leader of Moscovia/Russia
This practice of intoxicating one’s subordinates manifests in strikingly similar ways throughout the years, and one of the earliest records of the practice names none other than Ivan the Terrible.
Raised without parents by elites violently feuding for control of crown regency, Ivan the Terrible had a taste for violence that grew as he did.
His thirst for torturing and killing small animals developed into a lust for homicidal rampages against peasants, typically while drunk. At court these urges took on a more menacing bent. He constantly obliged attending nobles to drink to his honor, so much that they often had to be carried from the hall. When the drunken spectacle attracted public or private criticism, Ivan was tenacious in his retribution. Ivan’s chancellor was overheard claiming that the excesses of the tsar’s inebriation were unbecoming of the leader of Russia. The following Sunday at church, the tsar’s guards found the chancellor at prayer and hacked him to death on the spot.
Another nobleman once forcefully refused an order to drink from Ivan, and the latter seized a spear and ran the nobleman through. Subtlety rarely prevailed. Ultimately his subjects became so paranoid that none dared resist their nightly obligation to drink at Ivan’s bidding, though it didn’t necessarily spare them.
As master of ceremonies, the tsar often had the careless and unfiltered conversing of his subjects recorded in transcript so he could confront them about it the next day. Eventually Ivan found kindred souls who reveled in the mayhem of drink and bloodshed as much as he did, and abandoned Moscow to create a new capital to govern from. This band of bon vivants ultimately grew to something roughly akin to a medieval secret police [KGB 500 years ago !], a force above the law that spread across the country purging suspected enemies of the tsar.In the end, abstaining in absence wasn’t even an option to stay safe from drink-fueled rampages.
http://warontherocks.com/2015/08/vodka-as-a-political-lever-little-water-part-ii/
ivan the terrible killed about 5.ooo people. At the very same time English king killed about 80.000 people. So Ivan isnt so terrible when compared to other kings.
That is right. Bravo!
“Vladimir Monomakh” ?!?!?!
WTF I TOL’ YOU!!!
Volodymyr!!!! No “Vladimir” you DUM monhol!!!
Idiot, ukraine is more of mix of khanate. Turkic words in russian are not official and used by tatar republic mainly. Russian is orlov state have more r1a than poland even. You are more mongol shit head. Also ukrainian is mix of polish and not how kievan rus language was. Also alk rules of kiev rus were from novgorod russia…. and ukranian coat of arms are made from russian varangians symbol of novgorod… your coat of arms is even from russian historical city novgorod establishers. Fking banderas upaine. Ukraine is fake vassal state, its never been country, it was either rus or poland.. ukraine means boarder u – near , kraja – boarder…. you speak polish/hungarian mix. Ukrainians are dark like turkish people , russians look more like slavs.
“Chart confirms what Russians and Ukrainians have in common- more then 40
% of R1A Haplogroup. And Finns have only 7% of R1A Haplogroup. So the
fake “Ukrainian made” story does not match with the study.”
HUH?!?!?! WTF!!!!
YOU LIE!!!! WTF YOU SAID IS A LIE!!!
Take a COURSE IN ***GENETICS*** you IGNORANT “language major”!!!
& you are SH*T ther as well!!! — LIAR!!!
USE A WHITE MAN’S “STUDY!!!
NOT ASIATIC RUSKI BS!!!
But what Ukrainians have more than Polish and “Russians”are the BALKan Y DNA (nation forming for bein carried by men who cared for wars/ unions/ statehood, women were impregnated and cared for the kids whoever the father was) markers i2a1 and e-v13. BALKan as their concentration is on the BALKans and cover the Ukrainian ethnographic territory in a HIGHER % but disappear into Poland and Muscovy so called Russia – https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/641d29f2b3295e7ed0fe50468bfabaebd8bb72b68eae9a2f1e69793b44e8f51d.jpg?w=800&h=451
Idiot, ukraine is more of mix of khanate. Turkic words in russian are not official and used by tatar republic mainly. Russian is orlov state have more r1a than poland even. You are more mongol shit head. Also ukrainian is mix of polish and not how kievan rus language was. Also alk rules of kiev rus were from novgorod russia…. and ukranian coat of arms are made from russian varangians symbol of novgorod… your coat of arms is even from russian historical city novgorod establishers. Fking banderas upaine. Ukraine is fake vassal state, its never been country, it was either rus or poland.. ukraine means boarder u – near , kraja – boarder…. you speak polish/hungarian mix. Ukrainians are dark like turkish people , russians look more like slavs.ggg
Screwdriver ROTE:
“A lot of false information here. Article is a fraud.”
You are the “FRAUD” —- a LYING RUSSO-MONGOLIAN **TROLL** afraid to even use his/her real name!
IGNORANT coward you Russo-mongolians are!
“> Brian Marasca wrote in message …
> >Hi, I’m sorry if I’m disturbing anyone. I’m not a regular poster.
I’ve been informed that a person called “Andrew Chmilewsky” has been
cross-posting my name and address, and even my daughter’s name, to a
strange variety of newsgroups on Usenet. If anyone here is familiar with him, I wonder if they could tell me who he is, and why on Earth he would be posting my name around?
I’m the owner of this domain name (panpsyche.org), so anyone could easily
find my name and address by doing a “who-is” if they found any of the
several dozen people in the New York/New Jersey/Pennsylvania area who
have forwarding addresses through my domain.
I’ll be grateful for whatever info anyone can give me, and if no one has
any idea what I’m talking about, I’m sorry for disturbing your group.
> WHO ANDREW CHMILEWSKY IS:
> Andrew Chmilewsky is a Usenet troll who has an untreated mentally illness
> (or illnesses). He likes to badger people about posting their real names
> and addresses so that he can then harass them.”
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.legal/HAtvbir9XSQ
Did you ANSWER WTF I “said” you LYING, ASIATIC, ***RUSSO-MONGOLIAN*** POS ASIATIC FINNO-UGRIC-MONGOLOIDOL PAID, RUSKI TROLL for your new communist dictator (ras)Putin? ;)))
RUSKI SCUMBAG! :)
No you did *NOT* — you IGNORANT, *LYING* –COWARDLY– HIDING, *UNEDUCATED * RUSKI TROLL —- WITH ;) da bad Anglish fum da commie edukation :)))
Monhol!!!! :)
Go pretend you are white & SLAVIC …… Monhol!!! ;)))
“Andrew hates women because they remind him of his former wife, who
divorced
> him and fled for her life due to his death threats against her and her
> child. Andrew also hates people who take psychiatric meds because that’s
> how his former wife recovered enough to be able to leave him. He has
> trouble keeping jobs, so he spends his time crossposting as a way to get
his
> delusional anger out.
>
> Andrew uses a variety of sockpuppets (SSRIHater, alexplore, etc.) He has
> also created a “dual identity” named Alex Thurston who shares his Social
> Security number. We’re not sure what he does with this alternate person,
> but he’s probably up to no good with it.
>
> In case you might need this someday, Andrew lives at 259 Avenue E,
Bayonne,
> NJ. This address is for the Bayonne Family YMCA, his current residence.
> His Social Security number is 144-46-4122.
>
> WHY ANDREW CHMILEWSKY IS POSTING YOUR NAME AROUND:
>
> It’s one of the symptoms of his mental illness. He does this to a lot of
> people.”
Quote some more LYING, MENTALLY ILL TROLLS! :)
That most certainly, is a “proof” a PAID, LYING, RUSSO-MONGOLIAN PROFESSIONAL TROLL for Putin can use & has (for Ruski & other fools) “credibility” — Right you COWARDLY, UNEDUCATED, IGNORANT, MORON ?? ;)
(ARE THEY MONGOLS LIKE YOU OR MERELY JUST AS “HONEST” AS YOU “AZIATICS” ? ;)
yOU Still say Ruski — i.e. FINNO-UGRIC-MONGOLOIDOL B@STARD AMALGAMS ARE WHITE/SLAVIC ?? lIKE uKRAINIANS, ETC. ARE?? ;)
WELL? EH SCUMBAG? ;)
Btw…. do learna da Anglisha lanGuagega …. Did MONGOL SAVAGES in Ruski teach you or WTF??!!
Screwdriver, this is Muscovite shit!
Screwdriver, this is NOT TRUE.
YOU LIE! — “P’tfu!” — I spit in your non-Slavic Finno-Ugric “Ruski” LYING FACE!
Unlike me, you IGNORANT, LYING PAID RUSSO-MONGOLIAN **COWARDLY** UNEDUCATED **TROLL** — I have a science background & *YOU* do not!
Nor do *I* hide my profile ……. You ALWAYS LIE!!! Ruski POS!
“5. “the study of the gene pool of the Russian people, conducted by Russian scientists in 2000-2006 showed that …” – Министра культуры России
Владимир Мединский в интервью американской
русскоязычной газете “Русская Жизнь”, издаваемой в Сан-Франциско,
заявил, что у русского народа имеется одна лишняя хромосома.
“Я считаю, что после всех катастроф, которые обрушились на Россию в
двадцатом веке, начиная с первой мировой и заканчивая перестройкой, тот
факт, что Россия еще сохранилась и развивается, говорит, что у нашего
народа имеется одна лишняя хромосома, – сказал министр в интервью, пишет ВВС.
Как известно, что непарное количество хромосом является признаком “синдрома Дауна”.
Так вот, ваш министр культуры, оказывается, не только патриот вам
на голову, — он еще и ученый. Той же осенью, пораженный стойкостью
российского народа, Мединский внезапно погрузился в метафорические
бездны — и вынырнул оттуда с заявлением огромной силы. В интервью
калифорнийской газете «Русская Жизнь» он заявил, что у россиян имеется
лишняя «хромосома» , которая и позволила вам не исчезнуть, как скифам и
сарматам, а выжить, что бы с вами ни делали…
Да, и она отвечает за то, чтобы любить Путина :)
Попросту говоря, Мединский назвал россиян даунами. Очень терпеливыми даунами.
Вы не знали? Я тоже… :)
Вам, наверное, немного обидно, конечно, но что тут возразишь… с таким министром культуры…
“Алло, прачечная! Коллектив даунов в беспокойстве — какие еще открытия будут на наш счет? ” :))
……… а тем временем
47 “ПРАВОСЛАВНАЯ” ХРОМОСОМА ДЕЛАЕТ РОССИЯН БОГОИЗБРАННЫМ НАРОДОМ – РПЦ
Кирилловская РПЦ – тоталитарная секта, которая неустанно зомбирует
россиян нацистско-православным суррогатом…
Странно, а почему она вдруг лишняя? Нет-нет, проблемы, скорее в другом.
Вот из одного очень солидного научного журнала перевод:
” Учёные-генетики, хотя и выделили более 40000 генов, всё ещё в большом долгу перед человечеством. Они до сего дня не смогли открыть ген глупости! ” – Филип Маунтбеттен (род. 1921) — бывший принц Греческий и Датский, герцог Эдинбургский – скорее всего, это наиболее точный ответ на всю эту министерскую мозговую кашу…
Нуу… а кое-кто решил, даже, что мединский – еврей, ведущий политику дискредитации русского народа… :) Некоторые “умные” вообще решили перевернуть всю доказательную базу с ног на голову и сделали свой вердикт: “Не лишняя, просто у других хромосом не хватает.” :))) Так что же получается…….?!
(пусть попытается дать ответ на этот вопрос чел. по нику “Screwdriver”)
… Может вам рассказать ещё о ФАЛЬСИФИКАЦИИ ИСТОРИИ РОССИИ ? и то, как это напрямую связанно с Генофондом рос чел.(?)
Так вот… слушайте: Россия – это финская страна, а не славянская, а проведенное
российскими учеными исследование генофонда русского народа показало, что
русские – не славяне, а мордва («Лицо русской национальности»).
Откуда же взялись совершенно искаженные представления о русском народе и
истории России? Когда и как они появились?
Начало вымысла
Фальсификация российской истории в полномасштабном виде произошла во
время правления Екатерины II в самом конце XVIII века. Императрица лично
редактировала составляемую ею «Историю России», правя при этом
исторические документы, давая распоряжения по уничтожению некоторых
документов и по написанию фальшивок. Необходимость глобальной
фальсификации истории именно в это время определялась захватом ВКЛ и
Западной Руси (Украины) в ходе разделов Речи Посполитой. Среди
политических задач стояли: 1) чем-то обосновать приобретение этих
совершенно чужых для России территорий; 2) для подавления
национально-освободительной борьбы белорусов и украинцев – придумать миф
о том, что они якобы всегда мечтали оказаться под властью России; 3) в
рамках этого мифа следовало создать еще один миф – о том, что московиты
являются славянами и Русью, а не финским населением финской Московии; 4)
для прикрытия реализации этих задач следовало провести массовую ревизию
всех летописей и исторических документов в захватываемых территориях с
целью их исправления или уничтожения.
Для реализации этих политических целей следовало решить уже конкретные задачи по фальсификации истории:
1) создать миф о том, что Киевская Русь с приходом татар вдруг
начинает считать Русью (и даже Центром Руси!) находящуюся в Орде и в
1000 километров от Руси страну Моксель (мокши), населенную финскими
племенами и до этого никем Русью не считавшуюся;
2) создать миф о существовании «Суздальской Руси», хотя о существовании таковой никто до Екатерины II не знал;
3) создать миф о том, что Москва была основана при участии киевских
князей, хотя до Екатерины II все историки дружно полагали, что она
основана по велению ордынского хана после 1257 года (тогда
татаро-монгольская Империя произвела в своих Северных Улусах перепись
всех поселений и всего населения края для ужесточения податного
обложения, и Москвы в ней еще не было);
4) создать миф о том, что Московия – это Русь, а московиты – не финны, а славяне;
5) создать миф о каком-то «иге Орды», хотя до этого все историки
считали, что Московия три века была надежным оплотом Орды в борьбе с
Русью, а затем при Иване Грозном захватила власть в Орде;
6) создать миф о том, что Дмитрий Донской боролся не за Орду, а против Орды.
И так далее. Переписыванию подлежали все ключевые моменты истории Московии.
Украинский историк Владимир Белинский в книге «Страна Моксель» замечает:
«Именно Екатерина II, европейски образованный человек, приехав в
Российскую Империю и со временем получив доступ к архивным
первоисточникам, пришла в ужас, обратив внимание, что вся история
государства держится на словесной былинной мифологии и не имеет
доказательной логики. История державы опиралась на лживые изыскания
Ивана Грозного и находилась в хаосе бездоказательности и
взаимоисключающих противоречий. Разве можно было считать серьезным
утверждение Московских Рюриковичей, что Киевская Русь принадлежит
Московии на том основании, что Московский князь вышел из Киевской
династии Рюриковичей? К тому времени в Европе была не одна династия,
представители которой были одной веры, правили в разных странах, однако
не посягали только на этом основании на чужие страны. И тогда
Императрица усердно принялась за дело. Не стоит думать, что Екатерина II
из-за простого бескорыстия принялась “писать и упорядочивать”
российскую историю. Все проделывалось не без величайшего умысла. Ведь в
том длинном ряду московских, а позже российских, Князей, Царей и
Императоров должна была занять одно из почетнейших мест и сама Екатерина
II. И чем величественнее и благороднее оказывался тот ряд, тем
величественнее в нем смотрелась она – принцесса германская. Она мысли не
допускала, что в царском роду может оказаться среди ТАТАРО-МОНГОЛЬСКОЙ
рядовой знати. Это был кошмар! Такого, для европейски образованного
человека того времени, даже во сне нельзя было допускать». Екатерина II 4
декабря 1783 года своим Указом повелела создать “Комиссию для
составления записок о древней истории, преимущественно России” под
начальством и наблюдением графа А.П. Шувалова”. (В.О. Ключевский
“Исторические портреты”, стр.564.) Вот как Указ исполнен на практике:
“Назначить… до 10 человек, которые совокупными трудами составили бы
полезные записки о древней истории, преимущественно же касающиеся
России, делая краткие выписки из древних русских летописей и иноземных
писателей по известному [Екатерине II] довольно своеобразному плану.
……………………………….ЧИТАЙТЕ ВНИМАТЕЛЬНО!
Эти ученые составляют “собрание”; но их избирает Шувалов, предпочитая
при выборе “прилежность и точность остроумию”, и представляет
императрице». “Начальствующим” по “сочинению Российской истории” по
велению Екатерины II стал Герард Фридрих Миллер, в лице, так называемого
“миллеровского исторического департамента”, так как сам академик в 1783
году ушел в мир иной. Но именно Миллер оказал решающее влияние на
“сочиняемую российскую историю”. Ранее он искал “исторические материалы”
в Заволжье и в Сибири, то есть, он изымал материалы, касающиеся
татаро-монгольского прошлого Московии (1238-1598 годы). В 1792 году
“Екатерининская история” увидела свет. С тех пор вносить что-либо иное в
повествовательный каркас истории Российской Империи категорически
воспрещалось. Член Комиссии Александр Васильевич Храповицкий
(1749-1801), в 1782-1793 годы Статс-секретарь Императрицы Екатерины II, в
своих мемуарах (прошедших многократную царскую и церковную цензуру и
изданных в 1862 году, переизданных в 1990 году в Москве) – открыто
пишет, что Екатерина II лично правила новую «версию истории». Включая
составление родословной Российских Великих Князей. При этом утверждала,
что следовать надо не историческим фактам (якобы «запутанным»), а
«нужному нам порядку», «российским нуждам». Любопытны фразы Екатерины
II, приводимые в мемуарах Храповицкого. Он записывал ее прямые указания
показать огромную мощь татар и причину их побед в отсутствии прочной
монархической власти (Екатерина приказала привести не менее 70-ти
удельных княжеств для показа «раздробления России»). В том числе в
записях «о Татарах и их силе при нашествии на Россию» императрица уже
подменяет понятием «Россия» Суздальскую землю. Особо императрица
поручает Храповицкому создать миф о том, что россияне – это якобы
славяне, для чего тот “Отыскал бумаги, во время житья в Эрмитаже
писанныя о древности Славян, с изысканием первобытного народа”. Забавны
такие типичные моменты в мемуарах: “Показывал я реку Сить, в Ярославской
губернии. Она впадает в Мологу, а Молога в Волгу. На Сити убит Князь
Владимир Юрьевич Рязанский от Татар. Думали [Екатерина II], что он
перешел Волгу гораздо ниже, чтоб атаковать Татар; но река Сить
показывает, что Владимир бежал к Твери. Сим открытием не очень довольны
для сочиняемой Истории”. Вот так бегство князя от татар превращается в
«атаку против татар», потому что «сим открытием не очень довольны». И из таких тысяч мелких (а часто и крупных) фальсификаций
тотально создается совершенно другая, выдуманная история. Показательно,
что о ней Храповицкий в этой цитате говорит: «для сочиняемой Истории» –
что совершенно верно, так как эта история России Комиссией под
кураторством императрицы именно СОЧИНЯЛАСЬ.
…………………………………………..ВЫ ЕЩЁ ЗДЕСЬ (?) :))
………………….«Доработка истории»
Историк
Владимир Белинский пишет, что будучи по тем временам отлично
образованной и всесторонне развитой, Екатерина II понимала, где не
стыкуется история Империи. Читая старинные летописания Киевской Руси,
она видела, что европейцу сразу же бросалось в глаза – бездоказательное и
нагловатое перенесение права наследия от Великого Киевского Княжества
на “Моксель” или – Суздальскую землю, а впоследствии произвольное
переложение этого “права” на Московию. Для европейски образованного
человека подобное – нонсенс! В свое время и Англия высказывала претензию
на Францию. Однако к концу XVIII века английское посягательство на
французский престол превратилось то ли в европейскую шутку, то ли в
фарс. И Екатерина II об этом знала. Она понимала, что если подобный
разрыв даже ей бросается в глаза, то впоследствии серьезные европейские
исследователи попросту отвергнут голословные утверждения московитов об
их “наследственном праве” на историю и землю Киевской Руси. Ведь на
части земли Киевской Руси и во времена Екатерины II проживал тот самый
все еще неподвластный Российской Империи народ русинов-украинцев,
совершенно не похожий на московитов. Именно тот период истории
великороссов (вторая половина XII-XIII вв.) подлежал коренному
«укреплению». История последующего периода требовала “обычной
доработки”. Действовала Императрица очень хитро и умно. Она не стала
трогать историю Киевской Руси, что представляло опасность. История
Киевской Руси к тому времени была зафиксирована не только в летописях,
хранящихся в архивах Екатерины II, но и в летописях: Литовских,
Польских, Шведских, Венгерских, Греческих, Тюркских, Арабских и т.д.
“Залешанские” же княжества, то есть будущая Московия, вначале
создавались вне связи с европейской культурой и вне контактов с
народами, которые к концу XII и в первой половине XIII века могли
зафиксировать ее конкретизированную историю. Российская Империя сделала
все возможное, дабы народы Поволжья и Сибири то ли уничтожить, то ли
орусачить и принудительно загнать в христианство. А Волжская Булгария –
сожжена, ее медресе и мечети разрушены до основания, все культурные
ценности и летописи похищены и вывезены в Московию. То есть, все, что мы
сегодня знаем о происхождении Суздальских княжеств и Московии, нам
“сочинили” и преподнесли “платные сотрудники” Империи – поденщики
Екатерины II и их последователи. Все они “сочиняли преимущественно
историю России” только по “Екатерининским источникам”. После чего была
введена жестокая церковная и государственная цензура. Таким образом,
задача фальсификации сводилась Екатериной к двум частям: 1) написать
никогда не существовавшие «летописные своды» Московии периода Орды (их
до этого никто в мире не знал и никто до 1783 года не упоминал, они все
массово сотнями ВПЕРВЫЕ появляются миру только при работе Комиссии); 2)
исправить летописи Украины и ВКЛ, внося в них поправки в виде ссылок на
сочиняемые события в древней Московии и на сочиняемые «летописные своды»
Московии. Причем, летописи ВКЛ особой проблемы не вызывали, ибо были
целенаправленно массово сожжены тоже с целью сокрытия правды еще во
время недолгой оккупации ВКЛ войсками Ивана Грозного. А вот украинские
летописи были головной болью императрицы. Характерно, что Екатерина
собрала большими усилиями все доступные украинские древние тексты в их
оригиналах. Но они у нее в руках вдруг исчезают, а остаются только
исправленные ее рукой их списки. Например, Храповицкий пишет, что вместе
с Екатериной «работал» с оригиналом «Повести временных лет» Нестора.
Побывав в руках императрицы, оригинал исчезает, как множество других
подобных раритетов. Владимир Белинский замечает: «До нашего времени
дошли только “сочинения” – “летописные своды” и навсегда, после
Екатерины II, исчезли оригиналы древности. А дошедшие до нас “летописные
своды” были найдены или при жизни Екатерины II, или после ее смерти».
Комиссия, надо заметить, хорошо поработала! Замысел Комиссии: соединить в
“летописных сводах”, то есть в народном повествовании, Киевскую Русь и
Московию. Так в “Ипатьевском своде” вослед “Повести временных лет” идет
Киевская летопись за 1119-1200 годы, далее Галицко-Волынская летопись,
излагающая события с 1201 по 1292 годы. Только в этой летописи
упоминается год “основания Московы”. А “Лаврентьевский летописный свод”
вослед за “Повестью временных лет” содержит описание “летописцев
Южнорусских, а затем “Владимиро-Суздальской Руси” (и такая, теперь
оказывается, в древности была!). Замысел Екатерины II великолепен:
пишутся десятки “летописных сводов”, которые впоследствии “находятся”,
где народные гении сами “переносят” “право наследия” от великого
Нестора, древнего Киева и Галицко-Волынского княжества на
“Владимиро-Суздальскую Русь”. А уж кто и как сочинял “Северорусские
летописи”, ведомо только Екатерине II и Комиссии. И вот в 1792 году, в
Санкт-Петербурге, появился яркий плод ее работы, так называемый
“Львовский свод”, под авторством абстрактного “Летописца Русскаго”. Как
видим, авторство “Комиссии” и лично Екатерины II из “скромности”
упущено. Все последующие “летописные своды” были “найдены” то ли
Екатерининскими “подельниками”, то ли лицами очень уж заинтересованными в
их появлении, и всего лишь уточняли “северорусские летописи”. Имперские
историки и по сей день “стесняются” признать “летописный свод”,
изданный в 1792 году в Санкт-Петербурге, Екатерининским, хотя авторство
императрицы и Комиссии давно доказано многими честными историками. В
1792 году появился державно отредактированный “Летописный свод
государства Российского” в пяти томах, якобы сочиненный “Летописцем
Русским”. А дальше понеслось – машина фальсификации все набирала
обороты. “Мусин-Пушкин Алексей Иванович… граф, русский государственный
деятель… удалось открыть Лаврентьевскую летопись… он опубликовал…
“Слово о полку Игореве” под названием “Ироическая песнь о походе на
половцев удельного князя Новгорода-Северного Игоря Святославовича (1800)
год” (БСЭ, третье изданье, том 17, стр.129.). М.Карамзин намного
перещеголял А.И. Мусина-Пушкина (члена Комиссии). “Я искал древнейших
списков… В 1809 году, осматривая древние рукописи покойного Петра
Кирилловича Хлебникова, нашел я два сокровища в одной книге: Летопись
Киевскую, известную единственно Татищеву, и Волынскую, прежде никому не
известную… Через несколько месяцев достал я и другой список их:
принадлежав некогда Ипатьевскому монастырю, он скрывался в библиотеке
С.Петербургской Академии наук между Дефектами”. (Н.М. Карамзин “История
Государства Российского”, том 1, стр.24.) Все подобные открытия
невероятных по своему значению, никому никогда до этого не известных и
некем никогда не упоминаемых документов – делаются почему-то только
участниками работы Комиссии. Причем, все эти «находки» странным образом
УДАЧНО доказывают заданные Екатериной указания по изменению картины
истории. Дала задание – а вот и документ нашелся, ранее никому не
ведомый! Цепь удивительных совпадений. На самом деле «липа» очевидна.
Никто в здравом уме не может поверить, что Карамзин мог найти в
библиотеке Академии наук нечто никем не замеченное и к тому же до этого
никому не известное и нигде не упоминаемое. Белинский это комментирует
так: «Все “вновь разысканные” своды, как близнецы-братья “изготовлены на
одной колодке” то ли “Екатерининскими ребятами”, то ли
“первооткрывателями”. Каждый из “вновь найденных” летописных сводов имел
свое какое-либо уточнение или “подстегивал” к Киевской старине новую
“великорусскую” землю, то ли Тверскую, то ли Рязанскую иль Московскую».
Параллельно Екатерина II вводит своим Указом в 1787 году строгую цензуру
на публикацию книг по истории и на переиздание древних летописей.
Отныне частные издательства не могут издавать такую литературу, а в
первую очередь это запрещено знаменитому издательству Новикова, который
издал во время работы Комиссии несколько книг, которые прямо
противоречили историческому творчеству Екатерины (об одной из них
подробнее – ниже). А 16 сентября 1796 года был объявлен указ Екатерины
II о запрещении “вольных типографий” и о введении еще более жесткой
цензуры. Характерная черта плана тотальной фальсификации – полное
исчезновение источников, на открытие которых ссылается Комиссия. В том
числе упомянутые выше летописные своды, якобы найденные Карамзиным, –
странным образом исчезли, их никто не видел, кроме Карамзина, но зато
они включены в базис истории России. Сие ненаучно: эти «летописи» не
были доказаны исторической наукой как достоверные (вообще не были
изучены) и исчезли – с какой же стати они сегодня признаются
«достоверными»? Например, это невозможно в биологии: ученый не может
приписать себе открытие нового вида, не предоставив самого образца этого
вида. А вот в исторической науке, оказывается, вполне можно доверять
только словам исследователя, не подкрепленным никакими видимыми
доказательствами. Точно так и «Слово о полку Игореве», опубликованное в
1800 г. по единственному списку, владельцем которого был граф
Мусин-Пушкин. Величайший шедевр, находящийся в руках графа,- сгорел,
хотя сам граф войну 1812 года пережил и умер только в 1817 году. Не
странно ли: граф А.И. Мусин-Пушкин живет постоянно в своем дворце в
Санкт-Петербурге, но величайшую ценность почему-то хранит в Москве.
Понятно – иначе нельзя назвать оригинал исчезнувшим. Мусин-Пушкин
понимал, что при детальном изучении его “оригинала” обязательно
обнаружится то ли его подделка под старину, то ли искажение им текста.
Напомню, что Мусин-Пушкин – член Комиссии, а в “Слове…” речь идет о
событиях конца ХII века, которые активно фальсифицировались по указаниям
Екатерины II. (Л.Н. Гумилев: «Принято считать, что “Слово о полку
Игореве” – патриотическое произведение, написанное в 1187 г.») Причем,
сама тема «Слова…» абсолютно расходится с исторической фактурой. Князь
мордвы Андрей Боголюбский в 1169 году напал на Русь со своих финских
земель и устроил со своими финнами полный геноцид в Киеве, вырезав
население, насилуя детей, разрушив при этом все православные храмы и
являя при этом свое финское язычество. Зададим себе простейший вопрос:
неужели истинный верующий патриот Киевской земли, переживший Андреево
осквернение славянских святынь, мог в своем сочинении славить
Суздальскую землю Моксель и ее финских князей? Прошло-то всего 15-18
лет. Ответ на вопрос очевиден. Интересно мнение некоторых российских
ученых, анализировавших лексику «Слова…»: они находят, что костяк
произведения был действительно древнерусским (украинским), но все,
касающееся отношения к будущей Московии, – это подделка, причем главным
врагом Руси в произведении должны быть поданы как раз будущие московские
земли. Было ли «Слово…» искажено членом Комиссии в «нуждах России» или
же является целиком подделкой – до сих пор предмет споров.
Кстати, этот период расцвета имперского мифотворчества в России
сопровождался, кроме создания Комиссией фальшивых «летописных сводов»
Орды и страны Моксель, массой вообще совершенно одиозных подделок. Стали
во множестве появляться никому не ведомые монеты средневековой
Московии, на которых были указания о том, что ее князья являются
преемниками Киевской Руси, стали появляться фантастические «летописи»,
где история России возводилась аж до античных времен, когда «славяне
Москвы» участвовали в греческих войнах. Хотя никаких славян в России нет
и сегодня, а русские – это финны, как доказали исследования 2000-2006
гг. российских ученых в рамках определения генофонда русской нации. Если
славян в России нет даже сегодня – то откуда они могли взяться в
античные времена? Тем более что сама народность славян возникла на
многие века позже? Многие такие фальсификации нашими современными
учеными отвергаются, как сущая глупость, но вот фальсификации, созданные
в ходе работы Комиссии, не только не отвергают в России, но напротив –
базируются на ней, ибо она создает столь нужные сегодня и всегда
имперские исторические обоснования. А выдуманы они или нет – это уже не
важно, ибо заказ на них как был при Екатерине II, так сохраняется и
сегодня.
ПРОДОЛЖЕНИЕ следует.. :)
“Примес лжи”
В рамках работы Комиссии отыскивается А.И. Мусиным-Пушкиным
«Лаврентьевский свод», доселе никому не известный и вообще нигде никем в
истории не упоминаемый. Его А.И. Мусин-Пушкин торжественно преподносит
императрице – как огромную находку, ибо он реализует сразу массу наказов
Екатерины при «сочинении Истории». Российские энциклопедии сегодня
сообщают: “Лаврентьевская летопись вслед за “Повестью временных лет”
содержит описание событий южнорусских, а затем – Владимиро-Суздальской
Руси. Владимирские летописцы рассматривали владимирских князей
преемниками киевских, а Владимир считали новым центром политической
жизни Руси. С 1285 г. в Лаврентьевской летописи начинается ряд
датированных тверских известий, что говорит о начале тверского
летописания. Просматривается в Лаврентьевской летописи и тверской свод
1305 г., соединяющий материал различных областей, и стремящийся быть
общерусским”. Владимир Белинский комментирует: «Летописцы-то,
оказывается, киевские, суздальские, владимирские, тверские и прочие
только тем и занимались, что проповедовали “общерусскую идею” из века в
век: и в 1070 году, и в 1170 году, и в 1281 году, и в 1305 году, и в
1377 году. И это во время, когда в Киевской земле жили поляне и прочие
славяне, а в “Залешанской земле” жили финские племена меря, мурома да
весь. Это во время, когда жители “Южной Руси” люто ненавидели жителей
“Северной Руси” (по С.М. Соловьеву и В.О. Ключевскому). И, наконец, это
происходило во время, когда в Суздальской земле священники зачастую не
знали “Отче наш”, но при этом они, оказывается, были “великорусскими
державниками”. Надобно еще напомнить, что писались такие “великолепные
своды” в мерянских и муромских “огороженных (частоколом) селах”. Отсюда,
уважаемый читатель, делай выводы сам. Только еще раз обрати внимание,
что нашел граф А.И. Мусин-Пушкин Лаврентьевский свод только в 1792 году.
Именно в то время, когда и повелела Матушка-Императрица». Интересно,
что БСЭ к сей «летописи» относится осторожно и скептически:
“Лаврентьевская летопись… В 1792 (году) ее приобрел А.И.
Мусин-Пушкин…”. Не «нашел», а «приобрел»: у кого – не проследить, как
весьма темным является и ее происхождение для науки. То есть, очередная
подделка. Вскоре Н.М. Карамзиным был найден так называемый Ипатьевский
летописный свод. Зачем же он был найден? В 1803 году Карамзин приступил к
сочинению “Истории Государства Российского”. Уже в 1811 году Карамзин
прочитал первые главы книги императору Александру I, где были написаны
главы нашествия Батыя на Суздальскую землю. Усевшись за стол и приступив
к сочинению “Истории государства Российского”, Карамзин перелистал все
“открытые” до него “летописные своды”, но ни в одном из них не обнаружил
время основания Москвы. А главнейшей идеей сверхпатриотического
сочинения Карамзина (татарина, потомка татар мурз Орды) являлось –
воспевание славы Москвы и Московии за “собирание земли Русской”. При
этом автоматически считалось, что раз “Суздальская земля” появилась во
времена расцвета Великого Киевского княжения, то родственная, мол, связь
видима невооруженным глазом. Но у Карамзина, при изложении “Истории
государства Российского”, “московский след” оказался очень грязным. Да и
хотел того автор или нет, но ему пришлось показать весь путь унижений
Московии после покорения Суздальской земли татаро-монголами. Хотя все
унижения и подаются в хвалебном и величественном духе. Но даже Н.М.
Карамзин в своих рассуждениях увидел противоречие. Все
Суздальско-Владимирские княжества с 1237 года превратились в Улусы
Золотой Орды. И в то улусное время вдруг появляется Московское владение в
составе Золотой Орды. Все говорит о том, что впоследствии Москва, как
государственное образование, должна вести свою родословную с
татаро-монгольского Улуса. Так как Московия с помощью Ханских войск и
благодаря им поглотила Рязань или Тверь, Новгород или Торжок и так
далее, она ведь всего лишь “собирала” мелкие татаро-монгольские Улусы,
оставаясь Большим Улусом. Углядев великих татаро-монгольских предков в
рождении Москвы и Московии, Карамзину ничего не оставалось делать, как
“искать” новый “летописный свод”, дабы хоть само появление поселения
Москва зафиксировать ранее нашествия татаро-монголов. И в 1809 году он
“находит” так называемый Ипатьевский летописный свод. Мол, глядите, сами
киевские летописцы зафиксировали наше появление на свет Божий. Именно в
Ипатьевском летописном своде, где сведены Киевские и Галицко-Волынские
летописи, впервые и упоминается слово “Москова”. Забавно, что сам
Николай Михайлович Карамзин и не стеснялся признаться в том, что многое в
написанном своей рукой попросту ВЫДУМАЛ. Вот что он пишет об истории
вообще и своей в частности: “Но История, говорят, наполнена ложью:
скажем лучше, что в ней, как в деле человеческом, бывает примес лжи,
однако ж характер истины всегда более или менее сохраняется, и сего
довольно для нас, чтобы составить себе общее понятие о людях и деяниях”.
(Н.М. Карамзин “История…”, том I, стр.18.) Вот и догадывайся, сколько
“примеса лжи” подбросил автор “Истории государства российского”.
Вернемся к Ипатьевскому летописному своду Карамзина. Вот как передал нам
Н.М. Карамзин слова Юрия Долгорукого, сказанные якобы в 1147 году.
“Приди ко мне, брате, в Москову”. Это обращение князя, не поимевшего
надела в Киевской Руси, к Новгород-Сиверскому князю Святославу. И по
велению Н.М. Карамзина Новгород-Сиверский князь двинулся ради “рюмашки” в
“тридесятое царство” за тысячу километров по непроходимым лесам и
топям, на два года опасного пути, дабы “засвидетельствовать” появление
миру какой-то деревни “Московы” от названия реки Москва, произошедшего
от названия туземного мордовского народа мокша-мокса. Сегодня историки
это считают полной выдумкой Карамзина «ради имперских нужд Москвы».
Причем – выдумкой, абсолютно ничем не доказанной научно. Фактически
Святослав, по этой версии, якобы «предвидел» в этой захолустной
деревушке мокши «рождение столицы Великой России» и «преемника Киевской
Руси», якобы «проявил прозорливость». И эту же «прозорливость» проявил
Юрий Долгорукий – всех дружно осенило, что именно тут, в этой мордовской
деревне, будет столица Новой Руси. Все это кажется имперским бредом.
Ключевский, понимая нелепости, писал уже иначе, напрочь забыв про
«находки Карамзина»: “В 1156 г., по летописи, князь Юрий Долгорукий
“заложи град Москву” пониже устья Неглинной…” (В.О. Ключевский “О
русской Истории”, стр.132.). Но и тут все не сходится. В 1156 году Юрий
Долгорукий, задолго до этого вернувшись в Киевскую Русь (согласно
Ключевскому), был Великим Киевским князем и сидел в Киеве до своей
смерти, последовавшей в 1157 году. Зачем ему понадобилось за тысячу
километров от Киева за год до смерти «закладывать» какую-то никому не
нужную «Москву», остается величайшей загадкой. Непонятно, как можно и
зачем приказать кому-то (кому?) заложить «град Москву» за тысячу от себя
километров. А самый главный российский абсурд – как сидящий в Киеве
князь может «заложить град» с нерусским именем Москва – с мордовским
названием? Или он сам мордвин, любящий создавать финские топонимы, или
же все-таки Москва создана своим населением мокша-моксель, от которого и
идет это название Моксва (Moks+Va, мокша + вода по-фински), затем
измененное у славян на Москва (финское «кс» в корнях слов в славянском
языке природно менялось на «ск», согласно нормам русского языка).
Единственный факт только в том, что ни в одном историческом
первоисточнике, кроме придуманных Екатерининских “летописных сводов”, не
зафиксировано время появления поселения Москва до конца XIII века. И не
могло быть зафиксировано. Ибо рождения поселений с финскими названиями
русскими летописями не фиксировались (т.к. это было творчеством
туземцев): нет в русских летописях сведений о заложении Рязани (ранее
Эрзя), Мурома, Калуги или Перми – финских топонимов. А рождение деревни с
финским названием Москва – вдруг в летописи фиксируется…
Истинная история России: Лызлов
Не стоит думать, что Екатерина II стала первым человеком, написавшим
“собственную” русскую историю. За сто лет до создания Екатериной II
Комиссии один из современников Петра I – Андрей Иванович Лызлов, умерший
в 1696 году, написал в 1692 году серьезный труд – “Скифскую историю”.
Именно в этой работе Лызлов впервые попытался изложить историю будущей
России (в те времена она называлась Московией), ее взаимоотношения с
Киевской Русью и Золотой Ордой. “Скифская история” охватывает время с
древнейших веков до конца XVI века. БСЭ сообщает: “Лызлов использовал
большой круг источников и исторических сочинений (летописи, хронографы,
разрядные книги, варианты “Казанской истории”, украинские исторические
труды, польско-литовские хроники, сочинения латино-итальянских и других
авторов)”. Его “Скифская история”, как ни странно, не была издана до
1776 года, хотя распространялась в рукописи. Издание книги в очень малых
тиражах в 1776 и 1787 годах осуществил знаменитый издатель Н.М.
Новиков, и в ответ на эти издания появился указ Екатерины II, вводивший
цензуру на книги по истории России. О чем же повествовала “Скифская
история”? Вот главные мысли, которые поведал А.И. Лызлов, изучивший
древние первоисточники:
1. Монголы, пришедшие в 1237 году в Суздальскую землю, вовсе не
монголы, а восточные и южные соседи Московии и Волжской Булгарии –
татары, вернее “тартары”. Что является абсолютно верным, так как монголы
в XIII веке имели всего несколько сот тысяч населения (сегодня их 2
миллиона) и вели одновременно войны на трех направлениях: Китай, Иран и
Европа. То есть из Монголии пошла династия Чингизидов и по пути
завоеваний вовлекла покоренные народы Волги в орбиту своей
государственности. Впоследствии и Суздальские княжества (земля Моксель)
вошли в состав единого государства Волги и повсеместно привлекались в
завоевательные походы Золотой Орды. Что полностью доказывается русскими
источниками, но не признается российской исторической наукой,
ссылающейся на версию истории, созданную Комиссией Екатерины.
2. Жители Московии – это отдельный обособленный самобытный народ,
ничего общего не имеющий с русскими (Киевская Русь), литвой, поляками и
т.д. Вот что пишет А.И. Лызлов: “Скифия состоит из двух частей: одна
европейская, в которой живем мы, то есть: москва [московиты-мокша],
россияне [украинцы], литва [белорусы], волохи и татары европейские
[крымские, ногайские и т.д.]”. У Лызлова народ москва – это и есть народ
мокша-моксель (в славянском названии москель, москали), это
финны-мокша, а вовсе не славяне.
У Лызлова ни в одном месте не упоминается о каком-либо славянском
родстве финнов-московитов и русинов Украины. Наоборот, очень четко
подается мысль о разграничении этносов Московии и Киевской Руси. Причем,
эта мысль господствует в серьезной аналитической работе еще в 1692
году, то есть до времени, когда Петр I повелел называть Московию –
Российским Государством, переименовав Московию в Россию.
3. У Лызлова не упоминается ни один, так называемый, “летописный
свод”. Свободно изучив множество архивов, переворочав сотни
первоисточников, Андрей Иванович Лызлов, написавший “Скифскую историю”,
нигде (!!!) не обнаружил ни одного (!!!) из тысяч русских “летописных
сводов”, якобы впервые обнаруженных Комиссией Екатерины II. При этом он в
архивах был на сотню лет раньше всяких карамзиных, мусиных-пушкиных и
прочих Екатерининских подельников.
А. Бушков в книге «Россия, которой не было.-3» (М., 2004) обращает
внимание и на тот любопытный факт, что у Лызлова и других историков
XVI-XVII вв. нет никаких упоминаний о «великом» Несторе, который, по
нынешним представлениям, творил не позднее XII века, когда и создал
якобы «Повесть временных лет». Бушков пишет: «Почему? Да потому, что в
XVI-XVII веках о Несторе и не слыхивали. Не существовало еще его трудов,
только и всего. Даже имени такого историки не знали…» Бушков полагает,
что «Повесть временных лет» была написана по указанию Петра Первого на
основе древних летописей – для обоснования его балтийских
территориальных приобретений. Сей труд Петр и обнаружил «столь удачно» в
захваченном Кенигсберге. Однако Бушков тут ошибается, считая, что до
Лызлова не было труда Нестора. Он был – но в совсем ином виде, в нем
было написано нечто рядовое, что не привлекало внимания историков, а вот
только в тексте «Повести…», якобы найденной Петром в Кенигсберге,
впервые появляются в ней сенсационные страницы о приезде Рюрика в
Ладогу, которых в настоящем труде Нестора никогда не было (подробнее об
этом – чуть ниже). Вообще же просматривается тенденция: как только
российские государи захватывают себе новые земли – так тут же находятся
«исторические документы», якобы подтверждающие их права на них… Книга
“Скифская история”, дважды изданная Н.И. Новиковым очень маленьким
тиражом, никогда больше ни в царской, ни в большевистской Империи не
издавалась. Сам же Н.И. Новиков, успевший издать эту книгу до жестокой
екатерининской цензуры, она последовала 25 июля 1787 года, впоследствии
был арестован и надолго посажен в тюрьму. И только в 1990 году, во время
развала Советской Империи, в Москве третий раз за 300 лет была издана
“Скифская история” ничтожным тиражом в пять тысяч экземпляров. Шила в
мешке не утаишь – при всяком ослаблении имперской цензуры снова
«всплывают» труды российских историков, писавших правду.
Истинная история России: Татищев
Более трагичной оказалась судьба трудов Василия Никитича Татищева
(1686-1750), которые стали вообще как бы «утерянными». Талантливый
историк много лет трудился для России, но был отвергнут, а его книги –
уничтожены Властью. К 1747 году он создал огромный труд: “История
Российская с самых древнейших времен”. Сей труд был Властью найден «не
нужным» и уничтожен. Татищев имел доступ не только к государственным и
церковным архивам, но и к архивам Казани, Астрахани и Сибири. Его книга
имела ссылки на многие первоисточники, но эта книга не была издана при
жизни автора. Даже более того – Татищеву запретили издавать книгу,
заявив о его “политическом вольнодумстве и ереси”. А затем все рукописи
Татищева исчезли. Все первоисточники, какими пользовался В.Н. Татищев с
1720 по 1745 годы, к 80-м годам XVIII века были сосредоточены в архивах
за семью замками, в тайниках Екатерины II, куда доступ имели только
доверенные лица. Вот слова работавшего в России с 1761 по 1767 год немца
Августа Людвига Шлецера: “В 1720 г. Татищев был командирован [Петром I]
в Сибирь… Тут он нашел у одного раскольника очень древний список
Нестора. Как же он удивился, когда увидел, что он совершенно отличен от
прежнего! Он думал, как и я сначала, что существует только один Нестор и
одна летопись. Татищев мало-помалу собрал десяток списков, по ним и
сообщенным ему другим вариантам составил одиннадцатый…”. Тут уместно
вспомнить, что Татищев ранее изучал приобретенный при захвате Петром I в
Кенигсберге якобы «Радзивиловский» текст «Повести временных лет» (о нем
мы говорили выше), в который были с подачи Петра вклеены листы,
касавшиеся появления Рюрика в Ладоге, и страницы о ведении рода князей
России от библейского Адама. Тогда Татищев заявил, что Нестор был
несведущ в русской истории, ибо этот кенигсбергский текст одиозно
противоречил всем летописным текстам, известным Татищеву. Главная суть в
том, что до находки Петра все существовавшие летописи давали совершенно
другую картину возникновения Руси, и Татищев ей совершенно верил, так
как она подтверждалась всеми источниками. А именно: Киевскую Русь создал
вовсе не Рюрик – Киев еще до Рюрика стал русским от Галицкой Руси. А та
стала ранее Русью от Руси-Рутении – колонии славян Полабья,
располагавшейся на территории нынешней Венгрии и Австрии, ее столицей
был город Кеве (эта «венгерская» Русь, существовавшая до XII века,
отражена во всех европейских хрониках, включая и «Хронику Польскую»).
Рюрик же в саамской Ладоге создал только очередную новую русскую колонию
(построил Новгород как продолжение Старогорода Полабской Руси – ныне
Ольденбург в Германии). И когда посланные им Аскольд и Дир пришли к
Киеву, то увидели, что там уже правят русские князья – но другой Руси,
не подчинявшейся ободритам и датчанам. Началась межрусская война за
Киев. Замечу, что до сих пор многие российские историки недоумевают или
считают ошибкой летописей тот факт, что князья Киева ответили посланцам
Рюрика, что тут уже правят русские князья. Это кажется нелепым только в
версии истории, выдуманной Петром (ему помогали нанятые немецкие
историки), которая напрочь отрицала какую-либо русскую историю Киева,
Галиции, «венгерской» Руси-Рутении и даже Полабской Руси – русской
родины самого Рюрика (народов ободритов, лютичей, ругов-руссов, лужицких
сербов и др.). Петр повелел считать, что Русь родилась именно в
Московии: это давало «права» на все земли, так или иначе связанные в
истории с Русью. Татищев же нашел в своих изысканиях «неугодный факт»
существования в Европе многих Русей задолго до высадки Рюрика в Ладоге,
одновременно показывая, что в то время на территории Московии никакой
«Руси» не было. В том числе Татищев, воссоздавая в своих исследованиях
ИСТИННУЮ историю Руси, вроде бы смог, согласно туманным намекам Августа
Людвига Шлецера, найти родословную русских киевских князей до Рюрика.
Которая к Рюрику никакого отношения не имела – как и к Московии Петра,
но зато имела отношение к Центральной Европе и существовавшим тогда
русским королевствам и княжествам (их было несколько). Все это помогает
понять недоумение Татищева, когда он познакомился с «найденным» Петром
списком «Повести временных лет». А дальше недоумение стало еще большим –
переходя в протест. В Сибири Татищев нашел другие древние списки
«Повести временных лет», лишенные петровской правки. И его мнение тут
совершенно изменилось: он обнаружил, что Петр занимался фальсификацией
истории, сфальсифицировал кенигсбергский текст «Повести…», который
абсолютно не соответствовал спискам этого текста, найденным Татищевым в
Сибири. С этого времени Татищев стал в опале, а все его исследования
истории стали для Государства «крамольными». Вся «крамола» Татищева
заключается в том, что он честно писал о финской и ордынской истории
России и честно возмущался попытками российской власти скрыть эту
историю. Не кажется ли очень странным тот факт, что к нам не дошли даже
Татищевские “первоисточники”? А ведь все они были, засекреченные, на
руках у Екатерины II. Сему не стоит удивляться, такие “странности”
сопутствуют Русской истории повсеместно. Владимир Белинский несколько
эмоционально говорит: «именно после повеления Петра I, преобразовавшего
Московию в Российское государство, элита Московии начала задумываться о
необходимости создания целостной истории собственного государства. Но
только с появлением на Русском престоле Екатерины II, европейски
образованного человека, правящей элите удалось загнать сюжет Московской
истории в заданное проимперское русло, своровав у Киевской Руси ее
законное название “Русь”, приписав это имя финно-татарскому этносу
Московии. Все было обосновано “по-потребе”: 1. Лживо облагородили
Александра, так называемого Невского; 2. Сочинили миф о Москве, скрыв
правду о ее татаро-монгольских прародителях; 3. Вернейшего защитника
единства Золотой Орды Дмитрия Донского превратили в защитника
“независимости Московии”; 4. И прочее, и прочее… “Летописные своды”
тысячами заполонили российскую историческую науку, а единичные
исторические первоисточники исчезли бесследно. И нас заставляют верить
этому фокусу и этой лжи». Понятен эмоциональный подход украинского
историка, видящего в создании этих мифов уничтожение государственности
его украинского народа и самого Киева как столицы чего-либо суверенного.
Если же оставаться научно беспристрастными, то историческая Наука стран
СНГ обязана признать факт одиозной фальсификации истории Комиссией
Екатерины II. Причем, если это отвергается до сих пор кем-то в России из
отживших свое имперских соображений, то это к науке никакого отношения
не имеет. Надо разграничить нашу настоящую историю от мифических
воззрений на то, «как бы хотелось ее видеть» кому-то. О том, как
Екатерина II фальсифицировала историю ВКЛ-Беларуси, – тема уже другой
публикации.
… И не стыдно тебе, русский народ, пятьсот лет жить с ворованным гербом?
Excellent article. Many thanks.
Thank you very much for this very interesting article.
I ignored that Russians have had books once.
As a matter of fact Ukrainians might have invented the wheel and founded Rome as their ancestors were Thracian and Scythian, the Scythians were Thracian, too. DNA shows Bulgarians and Ukrainians are mostly of Balkan, that is Thracian origin. If you read all known Ancient authors you will find out Rome was founded by Thracians and the wheel invented by the Scyths. Scyths (skiti) translated from Bulgarian and Ukrainian means to wander, the R1A Haplogroup refers to them, and it is known Scythians have reached Persia and India, which is why we have Buddha which in Bulgarian means to awaken!!! The Thracian Dionis had reached India, too, previous to the Scyths, Borderland in Ukrainian (Old Russian) and Russian (Moscovite Great Russian) would be okraina, not ukraina. U-kraina or as it was also written V-kraina means In-(your-own-) country, especially when others are exploiting your Rus name!!! It was written OUkraina as OU stood for the sound of U in Old Church Sclavonic Old Bulgarian Thracian!!! Got it!!! Rus or Ros, as the root in many rivers around Kiev, means dew, water!!! The Rus people came from the Balkans – Rusi-dava was a Getae city in Thracian Dacia (present day Romania). Today we have Poiana/ Meadow Rusca in the same area!!! The first S(c)lavic people were the Thracians living along the lower Danube river in the Balkans known as Getae (later Goths, Guthuni in Prussia or Gutsuli in Ukraine). Getae from Indo Aryan/ Euro Sanskrit gayate means to glorify, same as Slav. As they were occupied by the Greco Romans they turned into slaves, what their name Slav turned to mean in the West later, as slave in English!!! All Slavs came from the Balkans, pushed North from the Roman occupation. But the population in Epirus, Bulgaria (Macedonia), Romania (Moldova) and Ukraine is closest to the original Thraco-> Slavs. the Proto Bulgars who had their Old Great Bulgaria in what is Ukraine till the 7th century were a formation of former Thracian tribes sent away from the Balkans (Epirus/ Macedonia) – kutri, ante, brigi/burgi, dulope (the Dulo clan) and huoni/ hunns, who all lived in what is Ukraine today, reestablished Bulgaria on the Balkans in 681!!! The Moscovites – Great Russians have little to do with this. In fact the Modern Russian language is based on Church Sclavonic Old Bulgarian Thracian of the Besi/ Vesi who lived East of the city Solun/ Saloniki, which was THE official language in Eastern Europe at the time!!! Despite the common Balkan origin, by the time of Old Rus and even before that in Old Great Bulgarian, the Poles/ Lyahs and Moscovites (who were mainly Ugro Finno Turkic) had developed in a different way from the Old Rus people. Poles in Lvov and further East in Old Russia – Ukraine, as well Muscovites in Ukraine – Crimea were INVADERS AND OCCUPANTS who did EVIL!!! For example, Bulgaria (Macedonia), Romania (Moldova), Belarus/ Lithuania have never done EVIL to Ukraine!!! Moscovy is EVIL and USELESS, and means only regress and decay!!! Moscovites should be thrown out of Europe (Gayrope) and a GREAT WALL SHOULD BE BUILT ON THE EAST BORDER OF UKRAINE AND BELARUS TO PREVENT GREAT RUSSIANS FROM INVADING GAYROPE!!! ALSO, DO NOT DARE SAY GREAT RUSSIANS LIBERATED BULGARIANS FROM THE TURKS AS THEY WANTED TO REOCCUPY BULGARIA AND IN THE END LED TO BULGARIANS BIGGEST NATIONAL DISASTER, AS BULGARIANS LOST HALF OF THEIR LANDS AND POPULATION, WHICH SUFFERED GENOCIDE, DUE TO THE GREAT RUSSIAN GEOPOLITICAL ACTIVITIES!!! SHAME ON MOSCOVY – GREAT RUSSIA!!!
Przestań już pierdolić te głupoty , bo coraz bardziej jesteś żałosny gościu.
Shut up, kurvo!!!
Salo uraaa, upaine, fkin gypsy country which got culture from poland.. if not poland would been part of turkey. Distorting history, russians are r1a indoeuropeans not fins.. only murmansk has and komi udmurt republics fin ancestry idiots.
Following your logic Lyah (Poles) and Muscovites (so called Great Russians) have to be one nation as the highest concentration of R1a are in Eastern Poland and Western “Great” Russia, while in VKRAINE – The Land of the Cossacks, the true Old Rus, the place where R1a was formed – the Black Sea steppes of Ukraine, the % is less – 40%, due to the higher concentration of the BALkan/ Thracian/ BULgarian Y DNA number 1 I2a1, found in Old Rus(sian) royal burials in Ukraine tested by Danish (Viking) laboratories. Tatars and Northern Indians also have a great deal od R1a but this does not make them Sclavic (that is Thracian from the BALkans). It is the higher % of Ugro – Finnic DNA which makes the Muscovites (Great-Russians) different from Ukrainians (the true Old Rus/yn/ people). What made Great-Russia a “Sclavic” nation was the implementation of Old Church Sclavonic Old BULgarian Thracian language of Cyril and Methodius from the BALkans. Its use among the general public of the Old Rus/sia/ – VKRAINE – Land of the Cossacks was limited which is why Ukrainian is closer in vocabulary to Polish from the carriers of the R1a haplogroup. Proof Great-Russians are in fact using Old BULgarian are some words which root has no meaning on its own in Great-Russian, for example pazuha, that is bosom/ axil or as in “Doloy Putin!”, that is “Down with Putin!”. Paz-ya means to guard in Bulgarian but not in Great-Russian, while doloy is copy of the Bulgarian dolu, that is down, versus the Great-Russian vnizu. Also the Polish have brought no culture to VKRAINE THE LAND OF THE CISSACKA THE LAND OF THE FREE. Culture was brought to Kyiv by Bulgarians in the 9 and 10 hundreds (9th, 10th cent.). Reminding you the Thracian (Sclavic) Old Great BULgaria/ Patria Uno-guria (une, uniy means better from Church Sclavonic Old BULgarian!) was “beyond the Danube” in Ukraine prior to the return South of the Danube in 681. Kyiv s first name was Sambat/as/ from the Old Great Bulgarian relative of KANas/ KNez (from izKONen, KANun, that is one that is at the beginning, head) Kubrat/ Krov-at(from po-krov, that is defender) – Sam Bat. Sam means highest, biggest, bat/ko/ – elder brother in Bulgarian and father in Ukrainian. It would have been better if the Ismailis (Turks) had taken VKRAINE. The “brothers” from Poland and Muscovy brought only DISASTER AND PAIN. Doatoevsky wrote the Russian soldiers were SHOCKED how well Bulgarians lived under the Turks when the Muscovites came to occupy Bulgaria as part of their GREEK PROJECT MOSCOW THIRD ROME, which in fact ruined the large BULGARIAN EXARCHATE given by the Turks spreading from the Epurus (later occupied by Hellenised/ Greeks) and to the Danube delta (given by the Muscovites to the Latinized/ Romanians), which led to Bulgarians losing half if their land and population brought to GENOCIDE bu genetically ex Bulgarian Greeks, Romanians and ENVIOUS Serbs. By the way the Poles obtained their culture from Rome. Whatever European there is in Western Ukraine was not that much from the Polish occupants but the AUSTRIANS!!! So, shut up, you silly imbecile!!! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c82a08c5a929446e23b8219dbba3814e6ec87aad9cffe2e2b10e616ede8d1ecf.gif https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2a121a55b45f8d1012a9c91b76ee1a5072a115bde642f10211e72798d600015d.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/eb15e7358226588522fe91360b72e60ad1b369f98a9c6a534968d98134c14ea5.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/318ddb5994065050a57db8862ad097d56f7465e165d7b6fb8bc3a0fd6daae2cb.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cd5d1258e92b7068346ea3a8635e52bf38d253022d3010e2085fa329613d7f5f.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/16c978a8bd3a07e51cbccef887db7733840fc40fb86cd1ef23da30535bd6bd65.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0d822ed63977b12bacef059b4e539c853900bb7695899a7edc68bce13c4c0d8d.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a8f9875ecdda18c64c2a97afd31dfa76e8c195f5e71f28771e236456f3b2d9b9.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5d4d81552484fe4d25e272b082e139c4f5f1b9459a9912ff0a16b81cd38864c2.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6df480b0ec1cd07d80fcc81c3ea4896e89ee5690bf3588187938fd43e8e6d605.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f5f837aac99e44120c9f099c4e224a1a7f8a1d62bafa07f9062c5360da0509ed.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cb86ab30f828efb751aa30db53255cec47af693154ebcdc30fd710c4b1d2498a.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b33c55d50b7329e6c1785d9b0615ad6af3dd06b61ad822618e9ae7f32e6e9a46.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b305caa950cc7bc3cd46a1b63056edc1b545556ed5da8ae6199aabb260a23cb0.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7da39e03a5a02a7966244b673989ee5d3874ecde75c19cbcd63d9f2d27a02a3b.jpg
Europeans called Lvov/ Leopolis – Russia till the 17th cent, while Kiev was Ukraina/Vkraina or Land of the Cossacks (Land of the Free) while Russia was Great Ducky of Moscovy or Grand Tatary!!!!
Dude, did you actually put a Polish map of Polish possessions in Ukraine…? Well, past is past but it’s still quite hilarious in the light of your arguments.
Dude, Polish possession does not mean Polish right as First People. Even Lviv/ Leopolis was never originally Leh/ Polish !!! Also, Beauplan, who made the map, even working for Poland and Germany, was in fact French, so quite different in thinking than the so called Slavic and Polish stupidity !!! Also, had the Leh/ Poles not killed the Old Russian Ukrainians and taken the Ukrainian lands, the Ukrainians would have not sought help from the Polish atrocities with Moscow. The Moscovites are always at pretending to be very good while in fact being evil, so Ukrainians were misled and went into another trap in the Moscovite Empire. Moscow took Ukrainians name and their heritage and occupied, deported and killed Ukrainians for the next 350 or so years while telling they are brothers!!! May be the Old Russian Ukrainians would have been better off with the Turks from the Ottoman Empire. Bulgaria was under the Turks for 500 years but Moscovite Great Russia did much more to destroy Bulgaria in much less time than the Turks for 500 years. When the Russian soldiers were coming to Bulgaria to supposedly liberate Bulgarians, in fact reoccupy Bulgaria for the purposes of the Great Russian Greek Plan where was no place for Bulgaria, in order for Moscow to become 3d Rome, the Russian (which included Ukrainian and other soldiers) were wondering that Bulgarians lived better under the Turks than they in the Great Russian Empire!!! So, after all it is the Polish who are guilty of Ukraine’s bad destiny!!! Shame on you!!! Now, who is funny!!!
Lviv was austri-hungarian city .. lemberg that was given to poland and stolen by bandera and upaine that killed 200-3ook poles in wolyn fk ukraine fake ciuntry
But neither Lwow nor Lemberg were found (created) by the Poles or Austrians, or Muscovites as a matter of fact the Muscovites did not exist at the time, but the Old Rus people. While Great Russia was still Muscovy or Golden Horde, or Grand Tataria, Lviv/ Leopolis was Russia, and Key-eve (Kiev) was VKRAINE – TERRA COSSACORUM in the late 17th cent. while Voronezh was OKRAINA at the same time. Everybodu kills everybody. The fact some Ukrainians killed some people doe snot mean all Ukrainians are bad or that Poles and Muscovites aka Great Russians did not kill anybody. (The Great Russian Russkie is not the same as Rus /People/ Rusin, Russkie is an adjective, smth added to the true Rus People. The Old Rus – Ukrainian People had been left without a National State which was not fair which is why some Ukrainians were made do bad things as they were in dеspair; Got it! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0b5a55e4358c171e3604aab38dd590f539618c6c4312c714875dd70a80032a4e.jpg
Roman occupation forced many Thracian tribes to leave the Balkans. The map shows the place of origin of the Rus people!!! As well of the Prussians – in Brusa/ Bursa once Thracian Brigia in Asia Minor, now Turkish Bursa!!!
Roman occupation of the Balkans forced over 40 Thracian tribes to leave the Balkans at various times. This map shows the evacuation of the Thracian tribes who left Epirus/ Macedonia and made up the future Bulgars/ Blegars/ /Vlahars/ Valkars/ Varkars/ Burgars in what is Ukraine today – Old Great Bulgaria till the 7 cent. The tribes being named Kutri, Ante, Brigi/ Burgi, Dulobe (the Dulo clan!!!) and Huoni/ Hunns!!! The Bulgars reestablished Bulgaria in their homeland on the Balakns in 681!!! Bulgarian DNA pool shows closest similarity to Italian, so it is most probable that Thraco-Sclavo-Bulgarians from the Balkans founded Rome!!! Ukrainian DNA pool shows most markers coming from the Balkans, the so called Tripillian culture!!! That is – Thracian, like Bulgarians!!!
Mr. Petrov ROTE:
“…the so called Tripillian culture ”
NOT ‘so-called” :)
Quite real! :)
Should be spelled “Trypillian”.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Trypillian&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
REAL! Like the Kurgan Hypothesis. :)
Main, or largest settlements were in Ukraine. :)
NOT Bulgaria! — Sorry!
Above link tells you a great deal .. You can even “youtube” it. :)
Btw — their (Trypillian) art work is VERY SIMILAR to what you see in Ukrainian
artwork.
Careful of the Russo-mongolian Trolls!
They present FALSE DATA!
So called not because it is not true but because any other village from the same culture could give its name to it. There is no way for a Native Speaker of English to read Trypillian the right way, they would say Traipillian, Also, in Bulgarian there is no hard and soft i, so Tripilian is also correct from a Bulgarian point of view. Do you write Italian with double L !!! How it is written does not matter. If you watch the Ukrainian movie DNA portrait of a nation – they point out the most male (Y) DNA is Tropilian and they have come from the BALKans, it must be the gene i2a1 !!! Bulgarian genes are most various but this one has the greatest % totalling at over 20%, while it is highest among in the mountainous areas of Bosna where people have had the least contact of other people living in a closed environment… Also, in Bulgaria there are archaeological sites older than 8 000 years like Perperikon. the Ancient Greek authors wrote that the first names of the BALKans were Perke and Aria. Perke is explained via the BULGarian pera, perkam meaning to hit, to strike. The name of the Sclavic God Perun, the name of the BULGarian mountain Pirin and the so called Greek mythological figure Perseus come from this word, too. Aria is explained with the BULGarian word yarak/ yarok meaning white/ bright!!! The First People in South east Europe, the so called by the Greeks Thracians (The Scythians were also Thracian), the Sclavus/ Sklaveni/ Slavs and BULGars is all the same. The first called sclavus were the Thracians Getae who lived from North BULGaria to Ukraine. Getae is similar to the Proto Indo European Sanskrit gayate meaning to glorify, that is proSLAVlyavam in BULGarian, so SLAV is similar in meaning to the previous Thracian Getae. The Getae were later know as Goths and Gotuni, and even today in Ukraine as Gutsuli. In Bulgarian there is a word got, gotin, gotino meaning something is very good, cool, that is glorious (that is Slav) in a way!!! From Epirus to Ukraine it is the same people but awfully divided by aliens and for their own stupidity and lack of unity!!! Herodotus wrote the so called Thracians wre biggest in numbers after the Hindu people but were weak for the lack of unity!!! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/641d29f2b3295e7ed0fe50468bfabaebd8bb72b68eae9a2f1e69793b44e8f51d.jpg
I almost agree with you Nikolay. In case of Romanians it’s the same, I2 haplogroup (Thracian/Dacian) is very strong among the population. I only not agree with the theory of Thracian origin for Slavs. I don’t see any arguments for that (Migration of Thracians to the north!? Who noticed it!?). Also Scythians were Iranians like Sarmatians etc. Bulgars were Turkic group. You can see nowaday Kazan Tatars, former North Bulgars.
I2a1 Y DNA is THE NUMBER ONE marker among Romanians and Bulgarians, and comes 2nd among Ukrainians. Take a look again on I2a1 map, the gene concentration area and how Ukrainian ethnographic territory is covered in a HIGHER % while disappearing in Poland and Muscovy (“Russia”) and think twice thrice and better on what you see: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/641d29f2b3295e7ed0fe50468bfabaebd8bb72b68eae9a2f1e69793b44e8f51d.jpg?w=800&h=451 ; The I2a1 and e-v13 concentration is in the Western Balkans (away from the main historical routes of movement of people) in the high mountains. I2a1 is 80% among the Bosnian Croats, e-v13 among the Kosovars – over 40%. So the direction of the movement is from the BALKans into Ukraine. it is more than obvious on the map. The number one Y DNA among Polish and Muscovites (“Russians”) R1a, so called Aryan DNA, exploited by Moscow as “Slavic” DNA amounts to only around 15% among Romanians and Bulgarians. The Romanian Poiana Rusca (Poliana Ruska in Slavic), that is Russian Field and Ancient Thracian Rusidava near the Ancient capital of Sarmatians (Scythians) and Getae Sarmis-et-Getusa is similar to the Bulgarian city on the Danube Ruse and Ukraine’s old name Rus/ Ros, plus around Kyiv (read Kew-Eve) there are a few rivers with the root ros. In Slavic rosa/ rusa means dew/ water. There is nothing more logical to explain the Slavic name Rus. The Ukrainian city P-OLT-ava is similar to the Wallachian Olt. Also, the Prussian name is the same as Prusa/ Bursa in Asia Minor where the Thracian Moesi (Mizi) and Phrygians (Brigi) lived, while in Bulgaria there are places called Brusartsi. Prussian words saved in old books previous to the Germanization show shocking similarity not simply to Slavic but Bulgarian. Greatest example is the name of the old Prussian liqueur Barenfang (Bear hunting) sold with its original Prussian name Meszkenes. Only in Bulgarian (Macedonian) the word for what the other Slavs, even Serbs, call medved (Ursus) is mechka, metsa thus the main Aromanian name in Epirus is called Mechovo or Metsovo. The other main Aromanian city names have Bulgarian names too – Grevena (greben is a comb relating to a mountain ridge), Kozani (koza – skin), Konitsa (kon – horse). Even an Austrian detailed map from the early 20th cent shows one of Olympus peaks as Vurgar (Vulgar), that is Bulgar. Greeks cannot translate the name Olymp but if you read backwards as they used to in the Ancient times, considering the combination of mp in Greek is b, we have bylo, which is a mountain top, peak in Bulgarian, probably from bel/ byal or byle in Ukrainian, that is white, snow capped. South of Olump is the Ossa Mountain which the Greeks cannot translate either. The Mountain looks like the bottom of the wasp, what osa means in Slavic. But more interesting is the name of the river flowing between Olymp and Ossa – Peneus (Piniyos), which Greeks cannot translate. Peneus was an Ancient “Greek” River God. Pena/ pyana is (water) foam in Slavic. Perseus is another Ancient “Greek” figure meaning a “Slayer”, the one who destroys, which is similar to the Ancient Per=perikon in the Rodopi Mountains of Bulgaria, the Pir-in mountain in Bulgarian Macedonia, Pir-in-eus in Iberia, Perke – the first name of the Balkans along with Arya. Greeks have no translation but in Bulgarian pera, perkam means to hit, so destroy in a way. Another term coming to mind is paean (/ˈpiːən/) – a SONG expressing triumph or thanksgiving, “Paeon” was also the name of a divine physician and an epithet of Apollo. Hence we have Paeonia as the earlier name of the region of Macedonia, as well as the regional folk dance Paidushka spelled by Greeks in Lower Thrace (Komotini) as baiduska similar to the Bulgarian word baya/ baia similar to peya/ peia – to SING, bai-duska/ pai-duska meaning healing of the soul (dusha) by singing/ music/ dancing in the music. Here is the dance – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgTi26sxmVU which I am sure you have no translation from Romanian but I translated to you via Slavo-Bulgarian. Then, the fact Iranian peoples were Europeans/ came from the basin of the Black Sea= Atlantis, most probably after the “Biblical” FLOOD about 7000 years ago when the Ice Age ice caps had melted into the Black Sea which at the time was below sea lever while cut from the world ocean, does not make the Scythians Iranian. Some Scythians have went East and reached India. By the way, coincidence or not Budha in Bulgarian mean to awaken (budya/ budia and is also the rood word in the term for future – bud-eshte). Scythae (skiti) in Bulgarian means those who wander/ walk about. It is interesting that an Ancient city in present day Israel was called Scytho=polis!!! There is no proof Bulgars were Turkic or even Iranian (who are European by origin), only Greco-Muscovite speculations in order to inferiorate the Thraco=Slavo=Bulgarians who played a key role in so called Slavic Culture which the Muscovite “Russian”World is based on aiming at South east Europe in order to become a 3d Rome (Tsarigrad/ Constantinople was the 2nd Rome). The fact that some Bulgars went to Volga, ruled the region some time and were later assimilated by the more numerous local Tataro-Mongols, does not make the Bulgars Turkic. In fact DNA co-relation/ coincidence between Bulgarian and Kazan Tatar genes is only 31%, with Muscovites (“Russians”) even less – 30%, Polish – 40%, while with Ukrainians – 60%, Moldovans/ Gagauz, Greeks – 79%, Albanians – 85%, Montenegro – 89%, Bosna – 90%, ROMANIANS – 92%, Northern Greeks (Aromanians?) – 96%, “Macedonians” – 98% !!!
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/317269d0e2c6da563e574b7e165636496a0b0c92bc05888a34aaa6272cf147aa.png This basically covers the territory of the First Bulgarian Tsardom/ Empire at its height in the 9th-10th cent. previous to being occupied by the Greco-Romans from Constantinople. It is obvious the Southern Slavs were the First People in the region later known by various Thracian names. The term Thracian is collective and derives from a tribe living along the Northern shores of the Aegean Sea called Belo/ Bialo more in Bulgarian, the tribe was called Derzei, Derziki meaning Brave in Slavic, which the alien Greeks, very bad at pronouncing foreign words and sounds, shifted to thersiki, thereiki, thraki. The “Greeks” first called themselves Danai but adopted the more prestigious Epirot (from Epirus) name of the local people called Seli or Eli who cared for the Sanctuary at Dodona, hence we have Helli, Greeks in Greek. The Bulgarian word gurtsi/ gortsi for the Greeks in fact means people living in the mountains, since gora means mountain. Bulgarians means one of the following 5 things at different times in different places or all together. 1. white, light, bright – Bel-gar / Balk-ar / Balg-ar/ Bel-astsi (Pelasgians), pal in Shumerian is daylight, bålk in Talish is brightness/ luminance, brigu/ bårgu in Sanskrit is bright/ shiny; 2. high, elevated, mountaineer, a man from the Balk-an; 3. wolf in the sense of warrior, fighter or wise man/ mage, the map of Jerome, 4th century,vshows Mesia hec & Uulgaria, Ulk-aria, ulk is the Bulgarian vulk/ wolf, binds with Volcae / Οὐόλκαι – the Vlachs to the North (formerly Da-cian from the Bulgarian da-vya meaning drown/ strangle as a wolf), as well as Volh-ynia (Volynia) in Ukraine further North of Wallachia where the Proto-Bulgars were, too, and Herodotus places the Neuri who turned into wolves, so the option Volk-ar / Volg-ar/ Bolg-ar is possible, meaning the same as Volcae / Οὐόλκαι or Vlachs; 4. ox / bull from the ancient bol-inthos, oxen/ bulls are a most ancient symbol in Thracian = Slav = Bulgarian lands – plates and images of bull’s head among flowers is a symbol found in Thracian tombs in Bulgaria – Kazanluk, Sveshtari, buffalo heads are seen on Bulgarian, Moldovan, Romanian crests and the crest trizub/ trident of Ukraine (Old Russia, where Old Bulgaria was) is also representing buffalo’s horns with a lotus flower, the symbol of Creation; 5. noble, when spelled blAgar in the middle ages, which can be explained by the need for Christian benevolence … Aria and Perke are the first names of the Balkans per Stephanus Byzantinus – https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7DW0GskEZDM/VFJeq99bp3I/AAAAAAAAA68/iaYW2K4ZwAg/s1600/THRACIA%2BARIA.jpg Aria is similar to the Bulgarian ярък (yaruk) – light, bright, white. Perke is similar to Perseus (the slayer), Perun (the Sclavic Storm God) and its derivatives Pirin, Pirineus (mountains), Perperikon in the Rodope mountains and all come from the Bulgarian word пера/ перкам (pera/ perkam) – to strike, also feathers and thus perk in English!!! Ukraine is where Old Bulgaria/ Παλαιά Μεγάλη Βουλγαρία/ Patria Onoguria of Kubrat used to be. Actually the original attested name was Κροβατ ((from the Thracian ethnonym Kροβυζοι, покров (po-krov) meaning Protector)) !!! The Proto-Bulgarians were Balkan fugitives from the Epirus-Macedonian region, fleeing from Greco-Roman attacks to the lands of present day Ukraine to the Northern Thracians – Scythians and Getae / Goths (today Gutsuls in Ukraine) !!! By the way, Getae translates from the Proto Indo-European Sanskrit gaiate/ gayate as glorifying, same as the Slav = Bulgarian славя (slavya), thus Slavus/ Slaveni was just a newer way to name the Thracian tribes. In Bulgarian there is a word гот, готин (got/ gotin) meaning nice, friendly, cool – one of the meanings of славен (slaven). The main Epirus-Macedonian Balkan Proto-Bulgarian tribes were: Kureti/ Kutri-guri, Haones/ Huns, Ab-antes/ Antes, Brigi, Phrygians/ Burg-iones, Dolopes/ Dulebes § ~ Abri/ Avarini , Avars. Most can be translated not from Greek but Slav = Bulgarian – Kutri means puppy, so – small, Guri / Kari means highlanders, men from the Balk-an or leaders as the Sanskrit guro; Huns from the Church Slavonic/ Old Bulgarian “уне” (“une”) means those who are better; Antes means those living at the end/ final; Brigi, Phrygians/ Burg/ Bug (as the Bog/Bug rivers in Ukraine !!!) – high, elevated, mountaineer, men of the Balkan; Dolopes/ Dulebes (the Proto-Bulgarian clan Dulo!) comes from the Slav = Bulgarian долy (dolu) – down, дол (dol) – valley, that is men from the valley between mountains, just like Ancient Dolopia was situated South of Epirus!!! The Proto-Bulgarians of Canas / Knyaz ((from the Slav=Bulgarian изКОНен, наКАНун (izKONen, naKANun), that is – primordial, so meaning Head) Asparuh crossing onto this side of the Danube re-established the Thracian = Slav = Bulgarian statehood, releasing their brothers from Greco-Roman occupation, officially recognised in the year 681! Vlachs (Volcae / Οὐόλκαι) are Latinized / Romanised Thracians = Slavs = Bulgarians.
This is from an Austrian Military Map from the late 19th and early 20th century. Most of the names are not Greek but Bulgarian or (Romanian, that is Romanized Bulgarian names). In Greece there are several villages with the root word Bulgar and at least two mountain peaks called Bulgaria. Here are examples:
1. http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/digkonyv/topo/200e/39-39.jpg The name of the lake Voulkaria comes from the Roman VOLCAE / Οὐόλκαι, which means wolf in Bulgarian, which is one of the things that the name Bulgarian means. On the same map, in the top left corner, in the green area, is the mountain with a Bulgarian name Tzoumerka, which means sullen, frowning. At the Southern foothills of Tzoumerka is the village Vourgareli, which means Bulgarian. Nearby is a village called Buga, which is the same as the Ukrainian river Bog/ Bug (similar to the Ukrainian for Bucharest – Bugar-est!!!) where Old Great Bulgaria was before the Thracians = Slavs = Bulgarians returned to the South of the Danube. Bugari is the local Macedonian pronunciation for Bulgarian. South of Vourgareli we read Radovich, a typical Slavic name. Northwest of See-von-Arinion we see Gurica, meaning forest in Bulgarian. Same as name Korca in Albania.
2. http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/digkonyv/topo/200e/40-40.jpg And here, in the lower right corner over КARLA-SEЕ, is seen village Vulgarini –
on the same map, but in the center above, between north and south Olimb (which reads backwards, bilo, is a mountain ridge in Bulgarian), is written Trypolyana that resembles the Ukrainian Trypillya, which the Ukrainian Balkan (Thracian) archaeological culture is named after. Translated from Slavic = Bulgarian it means three fields. In front of the next-to-last letter we read Gulema peak 1022 meters !!! Gulema/ Golema/ Golyama means Big in Bulgarian!!! North of the peak there is the village of Polyana (Bulgarian word!!!). Northwest of Gulema, over the letter O of Olimb, is the village Kokino-plo (KOKINOV is a Bulgarian name from Yambol, Upper Thrace !!!), and above it is the peak Bulgar(a), Vurgar(a) 1120m !!! In the lower left corner above 50′ is read Dobrudzha Oros 692 meters. Bulgarian Dobrogea is a historic area at the Danube Delta. South of the second letter in TRIPOLYANA is flowing a river which at one time has second name Vurgaris below the last letter of the village Klisura (another Bulgarian name meaning gorge in English or deresi in Turkish !!!) Between Mount Olmb and Mount Ossa is the river Peneios. The river name come from the Bulgarian word for foam pena/ pyana. Peneus was an Ancient River god according to the so called Greek mythology!!! Strange that the word means nothing in Greek. Same with the neighbouring mountain Ossa – this means a wasp in Bulgarian. Please take a look at the shape of the peak!!!
3. https://www.google.bg/maps/place/Граница+360+72,+Гърция/@39.097687,21.6043845,12z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x135ec860afe8aef9:0xe0e794c8156b9aa2!8m2!3d39.101254!4d21.5112341 In the Southern Epirus we have the village Granitsa (this seems to be the southern limit of the Bulgarians in later times), then southeast we have village Selo (which means village in Bulgarian!!!, Mount Voulgara http://www.pezoporia.gr/pez/vouna.asp?vid=140 and the village Carpi (Carpathian Mountains in Ukraine, Romania !!!)
4. http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/digkonyv/topo/200e/38-39.jpg East of Corfu, under today’s Albanian border there is another toponym from the name Bulgarian – Bogar (in teh local Macedonian dialect) and more Bulgarian names – Mount Botur (which means cyclamen), Voyniku (meaning warrior), Dragoman (meaning dear), cot (meaning bed or pussy on which one lies !!!), Borovari (meaning pine tree), Klisura (means gorge), Nemitsi (meaning dumb), Topolya (meaning poplar), Rusava (from the Bulgarian for dew, water, pure, golden, same as the name of the Bulgarian city Ruse on the Danube or the old name of Ukraine – Rus) and more ……
5. http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/digkonyv/topo/200e/42-41.jpg Here on the North-West tip of Thassos we find the Village Vulgaro.
You silly thing, your Romanian scientists say people with the same Thracian roots live on both sides of the Danube!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxjwMKqkeAM&feature=youtu.be&t=54m6s
Romania as Bulgaria. Peloponnes as the Slavo=Bulgar Morea from more = sea https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f7db454f4de74d5fe24de8878ecc5b2fcb7c6437880ab2bb05aa562802569b69.jpg
The Ukrainian chub/ chuprina/ oseledets/ hohol/ hairstyle of the Ukrainian Cossacks is in fact an Ancient Balkan (Thracian) tradition. Same known as chumbas/ perchin was practised among Bulgarians (Macedonians) till the early 20th cent. http://samoistina.com/2/chumbas.htm — https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d958814e4fa768f2088dbada33257db6129cfc8ae440bec3310d076e83b98c9f.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/82dfb1488ef0a7af2b2d7e3809224c8d7d6df56c9e35ca41f063e457008dec72.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/32fcd996cae36035064a6998d8b625e0d860a2365ef1352eb70ae25066a5ba80.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b35f33fe461cf4c407fcbd0dc505907e309ea2019658240c94d039dc11cd94e9.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0bdb9232259ca0f1660e055c10e0d92b36fc153a4b735e20220bc3d53296dee9.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7f99db78783b482db9f67a071a38458cfeb9f97a8aa84f94351e62a66b6927e8.jpg
The Romanian word for toaster prajitor is not simply Slavic but solely Bulgarian, пържа/ пръжа (purja/ pruja) means to fry in Bulgarian (Macedonian) – https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c5bb6c3b67c08f259cc2496ee6f6f09c82b5c116bb4685903af7ddc144be2fbc.jpg
The Aegean Sea is called Belo/ Bialo (WHITE) more in Bulgarian. The Balt Sea means WHITE in Latvian dialects, too. BALcia was the first name of Southern Sweden where the Thracian Getae aka Goths had went to. The Greeks called the First People who lived around the Aegean (White) Sea Pelasgian but have no logical translation for that. The same had been known in Ancient Egypt as the Pelesht of the Sea Peoples and on the shores of the Eastern Mediterranean as Pilistines. In fact most probably the original name was the Thraco Slavo Bulgarian BELastsi (White/ Noble/ Elevated/ Nice People), same for the Alexander the Great s capital Pela/ Bela, which is nearby the present day Greek – Bulgarian border on the mountain of Belasitsa. Bela is also a dialectal word from the Rodopi Mountains meaning beautiful. The Fir Bolg in Eire is said to have come from either Greece (Pelasgian Sea), Thrace or Scythia.
The Aegean Sea is called Belo/ Bialo (WHITE) more in Bulgarian. The Balt Sea means WHITE in Latvian dialects, too. BALcia was the first name of Southern Sweden where the Thracian Getae aka Goths had went to. The Greeks called the First People who lived around the Aegean (White) Sea Pelasgian but have no logical translation for that. The same had been known in Ancient Egypt as the Pelesht of the Sea Peoples and on the shores of the Eastern Mediterranean as Pilistines. In fact most probably the original name was the Thraco Slavo Bulgarian BELastsi (White/ Noble/ Elevated/ Nice People), same for the Alexander the Great s capital Pela/ Bela, which is nearby the present day Greek – Bulgarian border on the mountain of Belasitsa. Bela is also a dialectal word from the Rodopi Mountains meaning beautiful. The Fir Bolg in Eire is said to have come from either Greece (Pelasgian Sea), Thrace or Scythia. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2a121a55b45f8d1012a9c91b76ee1a5072a115bde642f10211e72798d600015d.jpg
Totaly wrong about the name of souothern Sweden and the origin of the Goths.The name of southern Sweden has always been Scania or Scandia, And the origin of the Goth is from southern Scandinavia according to the mid 6 centuries historian Jordanes,
Cucuteni-Trypilian culture appeared on the territories of Romania and Moldova and started to extends to nowadays Ukraine. Trypilian art work is also very similar with Romanian traditional art work. P.S. All slavic groups living along the Carpathians mountains (Hutsuls, Boykos, Gorals etc.) have a strong Vlach/Romanian influence (pastoral culture, clothes, words, working tools etc.).
The Getae/ Goth/ Gutsul culture starts from North east Bulgaria and extends into Ukraine. The GREATest example of Getae Culture is teh Sveshtari Tomb in Bulgaria – http://www.cities-of-europe.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/428.jpg
Here are the most ancient BALKand cultures which include Bulgaria which you omit, you silly thing https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8948bbf6a8d8423a1ce4bc8ee9c4d2350af18f413caa8d8db8bfe6cd6f8474fe.jpg
Thats interesting.. I love Italian food and temprament… Hmmm
http://istoriata.bg/listen/part8.html In the 18th cent. Bulgarian scholars, like Paisii of Hiledar, who wrote the Slavo-Bulgar History, made a difference between the Rus and Moskal people!!! You can also read the original text in the picture to see that Modern Russian copies Old Bulgarian. And since Bulgaria is the Mother-land of all Slavs there i sno way that Church Sclavonic Old Bulgarian Thracian was native to the lands of Great Russia!!!
Stupid svidomit trolls, you can jump out of your pants with your invented and fake “history” as much as you want – only brain dead people will believe in it. All normal people who knows history for at list a bit know the truth.
In fact, most of the world do not trust Muscovy, you silly thing. You have 1/8th of the planet s surface and resources but you are a disaster for anyone you have controlled. You are such a failure and trouble.
Ha-ha, I’m from Ukraine originaly. By the way, about trust or mistrust to Moscow by the world… Those who trust Kiev much less then those who trust Moscow.
Does not matter where you are from but who you are supporting. Muscovite so called Great Russians have attacked Kyiv (pronounced key-eve using the English language or Къйив using the BULGARIAN alphabet ), the “Mother of the Rus/sian/ Cities”, with “swords and fire”, for example George (Yury) Dolgoruky – that is Muscovites are invaders and prowlers / marauders in the true Old Rus/sia/ – VKRAINE – Land of the Cossacks, made different from the Muscovites (so called Great Russians), the Lyahs (Poles) and even Belorussians (White Russians) by the higher concentration of the BALkan/ BULgarian number 1 Y DNA I2a1. So called Great Russians neither have unconditional proof they have been one people or even one nation with the Old Russians (Rusyns) of Ukraine, nor that there has been massive emigration of Thracian (that is Sclavic) population from Ukraine to Muscovy in the previous centuries. So called Great Russians are marauders in the Crimean KANate and the BULGARIAN EXARCHATE, too. The true Old Rus/sia/ -VKRAINE, the Crimean KANate and the BULGARIAN EXARCHATE [given by the Ismailis (Turks) from Epirus (occupied by Greece) to the Danube delta (given by the Muscovites to Romanians), both Greeks and Romanians genetcally formerly Bulgarian!] were all SWEPT AWAY because of the GREEK PROJECT MOSCOW THE THIRD ROME initiated by Sofya Palaiologos from Morea, a hellenized (romanized) half Bulgarian who was a niece of the last Roman basileo (basaray, meaning nothing in Greek but speech, majesty and honor as in the Russian Ваша честь or Ваша светлост in Bulgarian from the Indo European Bulgarian, Ukrainian and Sanskrit b/h/as, бас, баз¡кати), who was grandmother of the Muscovite Ivan the Terrible, who also had as a great grandfather the Tataro-mongol beglerbeg Mamay, who first named himself a C(eas)ar/ Tsar and of no ground of All Russia. The country Moskel, Golden Horde, Great Tatary, Great Muscovy started being recognised as Great Russia only after Ukraine ( the Old Rus) was occupied. Muscovites do not have proof the First Rus/sia/ started in Navgard/ Novgorod and that Olga, who spread the Christianity in the Old Rus/sia/ was from there either. The Swedish Ruotsi are unlikely to have given the name of the Kyivan Rus. It is rather a BALkan Thracian (Sclavic) tribe who have emigrated North, just like the Proto Bulgars/ Burgars of Old Great Bulgaria in the lands of Ukraine, possibly refugees from Roman raids on the Balkans, for names such as Rusi-dava and Rusion have been attested in Wallachia and Greece in Ancient times – in Bulgaria there is also grad Ruse (Ruschuk) and two rivers with the root ros-, making origin from the Sclavo=Bulgarian word rosa, that is dew/ water/ purity, possible. Rosa is pronounced rUsa in the Eastern Bulgarian dialects. And Olga of Kyiv was most probably from the Bulgarian capital Pliska (Pleskov?). Svetoslav of Kyiv is said to have moved the Rus/sian/ capital beyond the Danube in Preslavets in Bulgaria saying Bulgaria was the middle (center) of his land full of riches. Also no wonder the first major churches in Tsaregrad (Constantinople), Sofia (the Bulgarian capital today), Ohrid (a Medieval Bulgarian capital in Macedonia) and Kyiv were called Sophia (Devine Wisdom)!!! But none of the later and the new “Christian” Orthodox temples… Anyways, Ukrainians have little fault they are wretched and not trusted today for the Muscovites have been in control and regulated Ukrainians life for the last over 350 years, SO IT IS MOSCOW S RESPONSIBILITY. Same for wretched Bulgaria in the last 200 years – Moscow s fault, too. Shame on you, you silly thibgs!!! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cb86ab30f828efb751aa30db53255cec47af693154ebcdc30fd710c4b1d2498a.png
Sort of racist anyhow. Doesn’t matter who came first other than out of curiosity.
“10. Golden Horde and her daughter Muscovy are the only countries in the world that enslaved their own people. ” That’s not correct. Serfdom was present at certin times in almost all european countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serfdom
An interesting read, though it’s not exactly a big secret that the principality of Vladimir-Suzdal (in which Muscovyy was situated) didn’t rise to prominence until after the dissolution of Rus’. The Russian nation wasn’t founded until after the Tatar yoke, as a result of the re-unification of the Rus’ principalities under the banner of the Grand Dichy of Muscovyy — nobody denies this.
However, the point none of you seem to get across is twofold. First, the Primary Chronicle of Rus’ states that Rurik established his initial seat of power in Novgorod. After his conquest of Khazaria, Oleg moved the capital to Kiev, after which, Sviatoslav moved it to Pereslavets. Notice the role of the princes of Novgorad throught the chronicles and any literature related to Rus’, which leads us to second point.
While all of the Rus’ principalities were ruled by members of the Rurikovych dynasty after the fracturing, by thr time Muscovy absorbed Vladimir-Suzdal and began rising to prominense as rhe Grand Duchy, it was the only territory still ruled by the Rurikovich dynasty (which remained in power until the death of Ivan IV). Muscovy, like it or not, is by politics, succession and blood the sole successor to Rus’
“onducted by Russian scientists in 2000-2006 showed that genetically Russian are not Slavs, but true-born Finns”
This is actually quite interesting because the Rus’ were not Slavs, they were Varyags (like the Finns) who ruled over the eastern Slavs. Remember, Rurik was after all a Varyag from what is today Friesland. Frieslanders are of course, closely related to Danes and Fins. If you’re making this claim, you’re actually reinforcing Russians’ claims to be Rurik’s heirs.
Though, this begs for the question of where Ukrainians came from — the territory of Ukraine today, was Khazaria until it was conquered by Oleg and the Rus (has it never occured to you that Rurik and Oleg are Varyag names?), who came from Novgorod, then colonized the region. Khazars were, of course, semitic, proto-Ukrainians didn’t fall from the sky or magically appear from nowhere; it is suggested they also came from Novgorod with the Rus’ conquerors, and herein lay the conundrum. In the Russians aren’t Slavs, then those who came from Novgorod with Oleg and colonized Khazaria were not Slavs either. This is of course rhetorical to underscore the abject idiocy of the supposition, the Rus’ (Varyags) interbred with the eastern Slavs and were eventually assimilated.
You can’t claim to be pure eastern Slav and a descendent of the Rus’ at the same time. The Rus’ were Finnic Varyags.
Regardless, the actual studies (which you didn’t link to btw) are fobus of haplogroups, and the main findings are that with an average of 46.7% of Russians in the “Russia-DNA Project” include R1a1, R1a1a, R1a1a1g, and R1a1a1g2, which are also found in more than 50% of Ukrainians.
Another interpretation of the study that is common to people who haven’t read it is that Russians are Mongols because of high frequencies of Haplogroup C-M48 — which is actually uncommon in ethnic Russian DNA, but common in native Siberians.
“1. A state called Muscovy Peter the Great renamed in Russia in the 18th century, in 1721.”
Piotr Vilikiy inherited simply declared what was until then known as the Russian Tsardom to be an empire. It was Ivan IV who founded the Tsardom and named the kigdom Russia in 1547 — which was his sole right as the last living ruler of the Rurikovich dynasty. It was previously the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, which was proclaimed in 1283, which was centered around Moscow which was founded in the 12th century (pto-top: Muscovy and Moscow refer to two different things, rhe former came into use only in the 16th and 17th centuries), which is basically when Rus’ split into various principalities and duchies.
This is why you publish here and not in a reputable, peer-reviewed publication.
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Firstly, the Russia appeared in [medevil catholic literature] Plano Carpini’s ‘Ystoria Mongalorum’ you may examine it in poor old-fashioned english from the open sources. At second, who is familiar with slavic languages or with linguistics at all can tell you for certain that the word U[oo]krayeena is just a phonetic variant of the word Okrajna which means ‘Outskirt’, ‘Outermost’. The prefix -o,-oo, denotes smth along or at the boundaries of smth — in this case something [kraj] is already means boundary = smth at the boundary of a boundary. It particulary explains an appearance of phrase Galich Ukraina, just pointing Galich to that time was the real borderland on the West of Orthodox Slavs’ Country. Moscow hadn’t appeared yet of course and the second capital of the state was Suzdal (‘SunWalley’) on the East, but after general destroying of Constantinopol in 15th century by turks it takes its status of ‘Katechon’ just of other OC peoples being under muslim or catholic henocidic pressure [Valachs, Moravs, Greeks, Bulgarians, Serbs, Ruthens, Belorussians, so-called Ukranians] — the fact explaining the time difference between Kiyevan and Moscovian “Holy See” establishments — and that was the third. For the concluding it is obvious — the article is an ideological forgery which grounds are on the standart ukranian school textbooks of 90-10s, which are fantasy ones, that’s approved…And you know folks — the history, it isn’t about the policy it is about the facts.
Я народився в Українській РСР. Я служив двадцять один рік в Корпус морської піхоти США,
Russia is actually only athin red line from Moscow 2 St.Pete’s the ret is occupied lands.
Collected some myself :
https://www.reddit.com/r/russiawarinukraine/comments/37tryg/muscovy_the_name_of_the_grand_duchy_of_moscow/
Map of Poland and Hungary by Sebastian Munster, 1550. The map shows “Russia” for Ukraine, “Russia Alba” for Belarus, while the Moscow Princedom is called “Moscovia.” (karty.by) http://www.karty.by/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Sebastian-Munster_Poloniae-Et-Ungariae-Nova-Descriptio1550.jpg http://www.karty.by/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Sebastian-Munster_1552_basel_Nouvelle-description-de-Poloigne-Hongri.jpg color
1723 Ukraine and Moscovia on same map http://www.karty.by/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/x-moskovie_1723.jpg Polish & russian Ukraine and Moskovia 1723 http://www.karty.by/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/moskovai.Herman-Moll-1723.jpg
How Moscow hijacked the history of Kyivan Rus http://euromaidanpress.com/2014/05/14/how-moscow-hijacked-the-history-of-kyivan-rus/#arvlbdata
In fact Moscow is spreading fake history for imperial aims which are of no use for the ones Moscow is aiming at as Muscovites are impotent in progress/ prosperity of life. The Greater Old Russia started in Kiev/ Ukraine and might have included parts of modern Russia but it was rather a trade union than one single ethnicity. The Suzdal (Muscovy) and even Navgard ( Nivgorod)/ Ladoga lands were not Slavic (Thracian) lands. That is proven by archaelogy. The slovene who were around Navgard were Finns whi have learned the word (slovo) of the colonists from Starigrad of the Western Slavs/ Venwti. Modern Russian is based on Church Slavonic which is Old Bulgarian which is Thracian. Even though Old Bulgaria was in the lands of Ukraine prior to 681 by the 10th cent when Old Bulgarian came to Old Russia with the Christian Literature the local language in Kiev had already somewhat changed which is why Church Slavonic did not have a great impact on the Old Russian – Ukrainian language. Whereas in Muscovy Church Slavonic was forced upon the enslaved population but keepin many of their Ugro Finn and Tataro Mongol words. Do you silly Muscovites understand Modern Russian is a copy of Old Bulgarian!!! And becase Bulgarians are not from Asia or the North but the original Balkan population it means there is no way for Church Slavonic and Modern Russian to be native to Midern Russia.
Ukraine is connected with the BALKans (Romania, Bulgaria), not Muscovy (so called Russia)!!! See!!!
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Ukraine is connected with the BALKans (Romania, Bulgaria), not Muscovy (so called Russia)!!! See!!! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3d8028e23b1fb381930f9d1438af1896f9ffdf48783deed72b43a063dc886939.jpg
Did Old Russia – Ukraine got Christianity from the Eastern Roman Empire, that is the Greek so called Orthodox version, or the Thraco=Slavo=Bulgarian Arian version from Bulgaria later in the late 11th cent overruled by the Greeks in Kyiv (pronounced Key-Eve) !!! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/003068970c0d964b889de75f787ed1181ab807fa32b113c69ffc0088d2b0f1b1.png
The Ukrainian chub/ chuprina. oseledets. hohol/ hairstyle of the Ukrainian Cossacks is in fact an Ancient Balkan (Thracian) tradition – https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d958814e4fa768f2088dbada33257db6129cfc8ae440bec3310d076e83b98c9f.jpg
The Ukrainian chub/ chuprina/ oseledets/ hohol/ hairstyle of the Ukrainian Cossacks is in fact an Ancient Balkan (Thracian) tradition – https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0bdb9232259ca0f1660e055c10e0d92b36fc153a4b735e20220bc3d53296dee9.jpg
The Ukrainian chub/ chuprina/ oseledets/ hohol/ hairstyle of the Ukrainian Cossacks, in fact an Ancient Balkan (Thracian) tradition, was practised among Bulgarians (Macedonians) till the early 20th cent:
http://samoistina.com/2/chumbas.htm
A typical Ugro finn face which Muscovites consider “Slavic”: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bc051f58e8541b935815a86957408ad93d8e1e8a15f9632172be443a058857d5.jpg
A typical Ukrainian face: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f4141be3fb1e37206cf85864f5d310e659f91e94dc2ee95e37d61fef19005098.jpg
A Great-Russian Tsarist map of 1971 (Карта_Южно-Русских_наречий_и_говоров_1871.jpg) showing Muscovites (“Russians”) were not a majority neither in Crimea not in Donbas or half of present day Southern Russia (like Kuban) – https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ru/thumb/b/b8/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B0_%D0%AE%D0%B6%D0%BD%D0%BE-%D0%A0%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%85_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%87%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%B8_%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2_1871.jpg/1280px-%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B0_%D0%AE%D0%B6%D0%BD%D0%BE-%D0%A0%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%85_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%87%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%B8_%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2_1871.jpg
DNA co-relation/ coincidence between Bulgarians and Kazan Tatar genes is only 31%, with Muscovites (“Russians”) even less – 30%, Polish – 40%, while with UKRAINIANS – 60%, Moldovans/ Gagauz, Greeks – 79%, Albanians – 85%, Montenegro – 89%, Bosna – 90%, ROMANIANS – 92%, Northern Greeks (Aromanians?) – 96%, “Macedonians” – 98% !!!
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We wuz kangz n sheit : Ukraine edition
Compare the Great Russian Muscovite version of Yaroslav Mudry (The Clever) to the Ukrainian version:
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The Great Russian Muscovite reaction of refusal to disclose the stolen from Ukraine Old Rus royal remains for DNA tests and threat to throw little bombs (“postrelyaem drug druga, pokidaem bombochki”), provided you watch the video on you tube. The documentary is prepared by a Crimean Tatar journalist speaking perfect Ukrainian unlike the “bratushki” who HATE their brothers’ tongue. If the Great Russian Muscovites had nothing to hide, they would have given open access to all archives to be tested for credibility and new results. As said earlier Great Russia has no proof whatsoever, only claims.
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Here is the distribution of your beloved R1a comonnly named Aryan and so called by Muscovites “Slavic” Y DNA where one can clearly see Poland and Great Russia – Muscovy have more in common in regards to this major haplogroup but speak quite different versions of the Slavic language. The Great Russian Muscovite language version does not match the R1a results, as Great Russian (Modern Russian) is based in at least 60% on Old Church Sclavonic which is Old BULgarian Thracian of the bearers of the BALkan Y DNA I2a1 & E-v13 which all BALkan nations have 50 or more % (80% among Bosnian Croats, 50% among Kosovars). In their following the Greek Project Moscow 3d Rome the Muscovites took the Church Slavonic from Kyiv but that was the official written language of the religious books from BULgaria NOT THE SPOKEN “POLISH”/ R1A language of the masses. The fact that Great Russians cannot explain the roots of some “Russian” words like doloy and pazuha – does dolo and pazya mean anything in Great Russian as they do in BULgarian, means Old Church Sclavonic is not native in the North.
Also, Stephanus Byzantinus said the first name of Thrace that is BULgaria was Aria that is yaruk/ yarki, light (BARGu in Sanskrit), white (BYAL, BEL in BULgarian) – same as BULgar/ BUrGAR (Vurgar in Greek), BALkan, BALcia/ BALtia, PULchero-polis/ BELigrad/ BErat (PULchero – nice in Latin), PELasgian/ BELastsi, Phlegian/ BLGii.
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Rusidava was a Thracian settlement on the BALkans. Dava and deva in Thracian meant grad , that is city and they are derived from the Slavo=BULgarian word devam/ devat’ (to put, to place, to build). Rusi like grad Ruse on the Danube in BULgaria most probably comes from rosa/ pronounced rUsa in BULgarian – dew, water, pure. There are two three rivers around Kyiv with that root. In the first centuries after Yeshua there was also a settlement Rusion in Aegean Macedonia bear modern Kavala in Greece. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ff5432b8fe30f781637eae5aad0da4dc10510b202d2d35cf0487a5fefbf94e27.jpg
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusidava
Greeks and Great Russians CLAIM with no proof Slavs and BULgars were invaders in the BALkans. DNA anthropology archaeology etymology and the ancient chronicles prove Slavo=BULgarians are the First People in South East Europe. 50% of BULgarians DNA was on the BALkans 10 000 years ago. DNA result show BULgarians are identical to FYROMacedonians in 97% (Moscow guilty in the Macedonism doctrine!), Greeks – 96-76%, Romanians – 92%, Albanians 85%, Moldovan / Gagauz – 78%, Hungarian – 68%, Ukrainian – 60%, Kazan Tatar – 31%, (Great) Russiabs – 30%. The fact Ukrainians are twice closer to BULgarians generically (Old Great BULgaria was in Ukraine prior to the return to the homeland on the BALkans!) meaans Great Russians and Ukrainians (“Little” Russians) are not the same people. Also there is no proof nor known reason of mass emigration from the Kyivan Rus (Ukraine Belarus Lithuania Novgorod Republic) towards the swamps and tundra of Suzdal and Muscovy. The major emigration of Ukrainian population occurred after the territorial expansion of the Great Russian Empire, esp to the lands of the former Crimean KANate incl Donvas and Kuban, and during the industrialization in the Soviet era. Muscovites came to Crimea and Ukraine en mass only after the deportation and GOLODOMOR famine of the local population. Also Moscow rusified the BULgarian population in Ukraine who they were the reason for which the Turks expelled the BULgarians. Wallachians (Romanians Moldovans Aromanians) are Latinized Thraco=Slavo=BULgarians and Greeks are Hellebized such ones.
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The hohol (chub in Ukrainian) was never a Muscovite national custom but it has been popular on the BALkans at least since the Minoan times 5000 ago. Albanians and BULgarians (Macedonians) had hohols till the early 20th cent: https://plus.google.com/103071676773530042957/posts/LZs3M2SrUsQ
http://samoistina.com/2/chumbas.htm
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Thete are enough reasond so that the Southern Russians/ the Ukrainians have the right to be a separate nation.
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The Greek Project Moscow 3d Rome which led to smashing Ukraine the Crimean KANate and BULgaria:
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By the way Okraina was Voronezh, not Vkraine – Terra Cosackorum. U-krayini or V-krayini means In-one’s-own-country to distinguish oneself from the aliens stealing the old name Rus.
One can see who most of the world is in the UN votes regarding so called Great Russia. Most Russians who find enough money run away from “great” Russia and they di run WEST. In fact everyone goes West. If Muscovy was so “great” people would not be running away from it, even “svidomit” Ukrainians would not run away from Muscovy. Who is running away from Finland (escaped Great Russia a 100 years ago and fought the Muscovites to stay away), Svizzera (25% foreign born population!) or Canada (in which Province of Alberta there are more Ukrainian language schools than in Donbas while by 1926 USSR census more than half of Southern Russia s population, 8 000 000 people, were ethnic Ukrainians, previoys to the man made famine GOLODOMOR which killed most of them). The Bulgarian Black Sea Coast is occupied by arrogant Great-Russians (300 000 have bought propery in Bulgaria) so soon the Muscovite prowlers might SCREAM “Gde my, tam Rossiya” (Russia is where we stand) not only in the Crimea and Donbas, as part of the Great Russian Greek Project since Sofya Palaiologos for Moscow as a Third Rome. Moscow has been ruining the Old Rus/sia/ – VKRAINE – The Land of the Cossacks, the Crimean KANate and the BULGARIAN EXARCHATE, and Eastern Europe for the last several centuries. The West is not perfect but it has offered THE MOST PEOPLE the most freedoms, rights, benefits, that is THE MOST SECURITY, which “great” Russia will never be able to give. Bulgaria is the worst EU state for greed, soul-less-ness and irresponsibility leftover from the “brotherhood” with the “great” Russians. In one word CORRUPTION. The closer the ties with Moscow had been the more corription and failure there is in a country. Simple apparent comparison – Karelia and Finland, earth and heaven. Now, who is the silly thing, you imbecile!!! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2738bc1bec596f1a34a7d017109a5b9a52999d9e6ec03e7876f5d881961be604.jpg
The BALkan/ BULgarian number 1 Y DNA proves Ukrainians (the true Old Rusyn/ Russians) are not one people with the Muscovite Great-Russians, Poles and even Belorussians ( White Russians, called Rusyn, too, till the 17th cent.) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c82a08c5a929446e23b8219dbba3814e6ec87aad9cffe2e2b10e616ede8d1ecf.gif
The Russian chronicles are not proof. No third party has seen them and proved genuine so this is just empty words. No third party source can confirm the Swedish Ruotsi founded Navgard/ Novgorod, not to speak of the Kyivan Rus(sia). There is no unconditional proof Novgorod was the First Rus(sia) nor that Olga, who spread the message of Yeshua (Jesus), was from Novgorods Pskov rather than Bulgarian Pliska (Pleskov?). Navgard / Nivgorod is rather a trade colony of Western “slavs” – Veneti/ Wendi from Starigard/ Oldenburg in Finnic Ladoga where the local Finns learning the word (slOvo) of the colonists named themselves slOvene. The original Rus people are most probably Thracians (Sclavene) from the BALkans. There used to be the Thracian Rusi-dava and RYSION (Rusion) in Romania and Greece in Ancient times, there is grad Ruse (Ruschuk) on the Danube in BULgaria, there are two rivers with the root ros- near Kyiv, so most probably Rus comes from rosa, in Eastern Bulgaria pronounced rUsa, that is dew/ water/ purity. Old Great BULgaria/ Patria Uno-guria was “beyond the Danube” in Ukraine prior to 681. Une/ uniy means better in Church Sclavonic Old Bulgarian (Thracian). Judging from Y DNA correlation it is almost sure the Proto – BULgars in Ukraine prior to 681 were Thracians (Sclavene) displaced from the BALkans by Roman raids levelling parts of the peninsula, esp the Epirus where from names of disapperared local tribes having no meaning in Greek show up in similar tribal names in the land of Ukraine prior to the time of Old Great Bulgaria with meaning explained through the Bulgarian language. Anyways, Y DNA test of material from Old Rus(sia) royal (of the KANas/ KNyaz) burials in Ukraine (Volhynia and Chernigiv) made in Danish (Viking!) laboratories shoed no Viking DNA but the local R1a in Volhynia and the BALkan/ Thracian/ BULgarian I2a1 in Chernigiv. Exactly the higher concentration of I2a1 in the Ukrainian ethnographic territory makes the Ukrainians different from the Muscovites so called “Great” Russians, Lyahs / Poles and even Belorussians (White Russians) and makes Ukrainians closer with the BALkan nations. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c82a08c5a929446e23b8219dbba3814e6ec87aad9cffe2e2b10e616ede8d1ecf.gif https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ae75608489bf5d2de19d7be292738193bbcd4aa926fc2e6486583980264b36f2.jpg
Didn’t Poland conquer and occupied Moscow in 17th century and Tatars in 14th century?
W0W- VERY INTERESTING-BUT DIFFICULT + COMPLEX–NOT MUCH OF A LANGUAGE PERSON- WILL HAVE TO RE-VISIT WITH NORE REFERENCE MATERIAL.
AN AUDIO DVD/CD WITH PRONUNCIATIONS + MANY EXPLAINATION WOULD BE GREAT.
A PART OF UKRAINE HAD THE FIRST EVER CONSTITUTION EVEN BEFORE THA WEST.
MAYBE UKRAINE STARTED SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL :)
⚠️ God has said in the Quran:
? { O mankind, worship your Lord, who created you and those before you, that you may become righteous – ( 2:21 )
? [He] who made for you the earth a bed [spread out] and the sky a ceiling and sent down from the sky, rain and brought forth thereby fruits as provision for you. So do not attribute to Allah equals while you know [that there is nothing similar to Him]. ( 2:22 )
? And if you are in doubt about what We have sent down upon Our Servant [Muhammad], then produce a surah the like thereof and call upon your witnesses other than Allah, if you should be truthful. ( 2:23 )
? But if you do not – and you will never be able to – then fear the Fire, whose fuel is men and stones, prepared for the disbelievers.( 2:24 )
? And give good tidings to those who believe and do righteous deeds that they will have gardens [in Paradise] beneath which rivers flow. Whenever they are provided with a provision of fruit therefrom, they will say, “This is what we were provided with before.” And it is given to them in likeness. And they will have therein purified spouses, and they will abide therein eternally. ( 2:25 )
⚠️ Quran
Nice article. It make clear why russians are so obsessed with expansions, they are mentally golden horde with brainwashed citizens. Interesting how it was possible to build the whole country on stolen identity and history, truly breeded nation of marauders
Excelente articulo, soy historiadora me gusto mucho Ucrania tiene un fuerte legado sus orígenes sus luchas legitimas, es encantador poder encontrar un sitio como este. Espero que pronto podamos viajar a la bella y gloriosa Ucrania libre como es su derecho. gracias